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  1. gr8trn

    gr8trn Senior Member

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    I think that 57 in San Diego looks pretty nice too. Stabilize for sure. Pretty typical to find low hp power in “Gators”.
    I have to post actual data as my estimate was off.
    Here is my rpm/speed in nautical miles per hour/gph FYI.
    1330/8.8/5.1
    1500/9.2/7.0
    1700/10/11

    2600/19/29
    2800/21.5/31.8
    WOT 3050/26/40
  2. Capt J

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    You may also want to consider a 64' Pacific mariner in your search also......
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    Those are great numbers. Better than what I get in my 43 SF now. Thank you.
    Any idea how tough it would be to replace the fuel tanks if that wee needed?
    Never seen those before. Look like great boats. Really trying to keep under 60'. Only reason I was looking at the Hatt was the rave reviews it was getting from Capt J and others. Wife really wants mid-50's length.
    Are you saying that boat could handle an Alaska trip where the others (the non-displacement hulls) on my list couldn't?
  5. SkyDriver

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    They were built in Washington. Yes, many of them have been to Alaska. Late serial number boats don't last, the last 2 sold in about 2-3 week time frame.
    These boats are efficient fast or slow. Run 22 kts short trips or go 10kts long distance. I realize SoCal is tight on dock space. It would do everything you want to do in the future.

    Here's another thought, have you looked at late model West Bay 58/64 ??
  6. gr8trn

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    Depends on the model. Jule Marshall, who designed the boats reportedly did not trust tank monitors. As such, the fill tube in straight down so dip stick old school was the fall back. They cannot come out of the cockpit engine room hatch. They have to be sawzalled out and replaced with smaller tanks that fit through the hatch. This is how some have done it. Others have cut out the floor and that whole nightmareish scenario. Others have had good luck if here are leaks actually cutting new access holes in the existing tanks, then prepping and epoxy lining the tanks.
    I have not had to do either
  7. LuvBigBoats

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    Thanks. Have not but they look to fit the bill as well. A lot of choices. Seems like these have aluminum tanks also. Wonder if I'm putting too much importance on that since it seems like fiberglass tanks are the exception and most are aluminum.

    Thanks. Sounds like a huge hassle.
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    Aluminum tanks aren’t a deal Killer. I prefer fiberglass, no question, but if properly installed alum tanks will be ok. Problem is that it s nearly impossible to evaluate the condition of the tanks. Sure the outside may give a hint but sometimes trouble brews on the inside from water at the bottom of the tank.
    Again not a deal killer
  9. LuvBigBoats

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    Thanks but is it just a coin toss whether I'm going to have an issue of not? I don't recall the survey on my last boat even addressing the condition of any of the tanks. Is this something survey-able?
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    Typically the survey report on a pleasure craft will include limited comments on fuel tank condition based solely on observations from the part of the tanks that are visible. Also included will be the surveyor's disclaimer regarding condition of fuel tanks. The reason being that all sides and surface areas are are not visible and therefore the tanks cannot be fully inspected.
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    As Pascal mentions; the corrosion may be on the inside. I've been on exactly 1 yacht that had the ability to drain off the very bottom of the tanks, but it would have had to be very near empty. No valves or petcocks, just plumbing.
    If tank corrosion is a very real concern, there are tank inspection companies. Just had a Google at it, and they're apparently geared up for all kinds of tanks. I'm sure they have remote operated cameras with position tracking and other incredible technology.
  12. gr8trn

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    There is your answer.
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    Thanks I'll look into that (tank inspection).

    Capt J--a few questions based on your posts 8 and 16.
    1. What year range were you referring to when you said you're not a fan of OA, Marlow and Offshore (ref your posts 8 and 16).
    2. You mention seakeeping traits and lack of performance for power for the OA. What about the Marlow and Offshores?
    3. Same year range and same issue for Marlows and Offshores?

    Reason I ask is an OA 548 is being sold locally that checks a lot of boxes and there are also some nice Offshores and a clean looking Marlow.
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    I was in your shoes a couple months ago. I also live in Southern California (Newport) and had a Bertram 54 with 1292's for several years. Ninety percent of the time the boat went to Catalina and some local fishing. We loved the Bertram it is a Battlewagon and did most things well including draining my wallet. With kids grown up and grandkids on the way we basically were looking at the same list you are currently looking at. We settled on an Offshore 62, for us it checked all the boxes, Cat power, center stateroom, pilot house, huge cockpit, huge swim step (sport deck), stabilized, bow thruster, etc. etc. etc. I was concerned that a 62 foot boat might be a tad too much for my wife and I to handle on our own, the Bertram was a handful picking up a mooring in crowded Avalon, Not so with the Offshore with the bow thruster and the huge walkaround side decks it's a breeze. I'm extremely satisfied with the build quality and it's certainly heads and tails above my early 90's Bertram. I've only had the boat for 4 months but been to the Island a dozen times and headed for La Paz in a couple weeks. Feel free to reach out if you have any questions.
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    Sweet ride, very stately and worthy boat.
    Looks like they are specifying cummins qsb11 in the new builds according to their website.
    The question is, are the fuel tanks aluminium and are they accessible without tearing the boat apart. Well, at least some other SoCal boater would want to know:)
  16. LuvBigBoats

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    Thank you. Heading down to Newport this weekend to check on a Hatt. Will PM you.
    Hahahahaha...yeah so I may be stressing out a little more than warranted on this point.
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    The tanks are Aluminum and that was a concern of mine as well. Having replaced a cockpit tank on a 48 foot Pacemaker 20 years ago the pain still haunts me. The Offshore has three main tanks there is a forward tank in front of the engine room, 330 gallon tanks outboard of each Main engine and a auxiliary 150 gallon tank in the LAZ. I don't know for sure but my guess is you would be moving a ton of Iron if any one of the three tanks needs to come out. I know of a Bertram 54 in Newport that ruptured the 600 gallon FRP tank transfering fuel. It's an installation issue as much as a material issue. Aluminum does not like being wet and it needs a ton of airflow. You can't have dissimilar metals anywhere near it because it wants to be a battery. I for sure would prefer FRP tanks but I wouldn't let it dictate which boat I buy.
  18. Capt J

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    1. Up to around 2012 on OA. I thought the layout was very good, woodwork and interior well built. Outside had a lot of cheesy latches and things of that nature from what I remember. I inspected a 68' for an owner that was interested. Performance was horrible. It cruised at something like 13 knots at 85 GPH.
    Marlow- ALL of them, all years. The 50-70' boats have an integral swim platform shape that if you get waked from the stern the wave has nowhere to go and gets compressed under the swim platform and shudders the entire boat. The bottom design is a naval architects nightmare and they're very prone to having vibration. Also the interior is built in large pieces and then installed in the boat and there is zero access to anything running behind the interior.

    Offshores are built OK but their hull designs are crap. I ran one larger than 63' and smaller than 70'. If you had less than 10' of water UNDER the keel, it wouldn't go any faster than 7.3 knots. In the ocean in deep water it would cruise at 15 knots. The 62' throws a massive wake at hull speeds. The Offshores seem to just ride like a bath tub. Of the latter 2, I'd prefer a Hampton MY or Endurance. All 3 have serious handling traits and performance traits......in general Asian hull design is about where American and European hull design was in the 1960's on most all of them (not all). A lot of their hulls also, the molds were origionally designed for one size then extended to build a different size......COG also tends to be trial and error. That's the entire reason they stuck 150 gallons of fuel in the lazarette, because they were too bow heavy.

    The older 54' Bertrams never had FRP tanks, they were all aluminum. Not sure what the new (as in less than 5 years old) Bertrams have.
  19. LuvBigBoats

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    OK thanks--I'll need to inquire about the performance on the OA 548 I'm checking out this weekend. Having less than 10' water under the keel at speed is never an issue thankfully, at least not in local waters.

    Hamptons are nice, just tough to find. None for sale so I'd have to travel/ship to get one. Hampton Endurance is out of my budget.

    Any thoughts on Jefferson 64 Pilothouse (2004) or the 59 Marquis? Looks like engine room access on the Marquis is pretty bad but need to see some more pics.
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  20. Capt J

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    RUN from Jefferson.....Marquis is ok, typical Carver quality......nothing to write home about....usually they're slow for their power/size......