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  1. 993RSR

    993RSR Senior Member

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    After a long expensive battle solving my own vibration issues in the same model boat this is very painful to read. Yacht club newsletter.

    Eastbay 49.

    I’m writing this aboard xxxxx after traveling south along the ICW to Charleston, SC. Rather than put the boat away for the winter, we’ll keep it in Charleston for the season and use it as a second home to work and play, a welcome change of scenery and temperatures. We departed our dock in Galesville, MD early on November 21 and arrived in Charleston on November 29th , just before the weather turned.

    We started with a picture perfect and easy day down the Bay to Portsmouth, VA. On day two, we took the Great Dismal Swamp route rather than the primary ICW route. I’ve always wanted to do the Dismal Swamp and was very excited about it. It is beautiful but turned out to be shallower than anticipated with a lot of submerged logs and debris from the surrounding woods. With no keel to protect our running gear we basically chewed up sticks and logs through the entire 27 miles. But we got through and it was memorable.

    After a pleasant night in Elizabeth City, NC, we were off to Belhaven the following day. After a cloudy start, the sky cleared nicely and we made good progress along this relatively easy stretch of the ICW until I strayed just a couple of feet off in the Alligator River-Pungo River Canal and the water went from about 9 feet to 2.5 feet almost instantly – and at 17 knots that is a hard grounding!

    Luckily a passing Nordhavn (which many may know is a trawler built like a tank) bravely nudged his bow almost to our boat, took a line, and was able to pull us off. Amazingly, the grounding didn’t seem to do damage (except to my pride) and we were back on our way in no time.
  2. DOCKMASTER

    DOCKMASTER Senior Member

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    Honestly I don't how you guys deal with these water depths. I would be pretty puckered even at 9'. I avoid our rocks and pinnacles if they show up as color on my charts which is less than 100'. I figure why take a chance with something being mislabeled or not shown when I can go a few hundred feet to the right or left and avoid it all together.

    I'm curious, having never been on the ICW, how do you avoid these depth changes? Is the deeper channel marked that well that you can stay in a lane and do 17 knots that can drop to 2.5' of water in a matter of feet?
  3. 993RSR

    993RSR Senior Member

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    Here on the ICW 9' is acceptable water but most of the time you are in 12'. Larger boats wait for weather windows for offshore legs. The ICW is tricky. You need to follow the markers carefully (not your plotter) and read the surface around breaks in the barrier islands. Sand fills in. Idle through the questionable areas. Once you make the trip 37 times its easy. :)
  4. NYCAP123

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    You read the water; look for the change of color and texture that indicate a bottom change, and watch the contours of the shoreline. What's happening on land continues under the water. If the shoreline points out expect a shoal. Most of all don't just head for your next buoy. Draw a line from one to the other and keep looking back to make sure you're not crossing it. Also remember that buoys are only guides. In many places you can run out of water dead center of the channel, especially around inlets, hence learning how to read the water. A big saving grace that the OP is familiar with is that most of the east coast below New England is a sand or mud bottom. It's fairly forgiving. When you grow up in places like the south shore of L.I. 3' depth is plenty. At 6' you start singing a happy song. Personally I find inland rivers much more challenging. Depending on drought levels you might find a 20' tree sitting below 22' of water.
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    993RSR Senior Member

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    One good rule I have adopted when running at speed is follow a pod boat. When he comes to an abrupt halt that is a sign. :)
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    By slowing down. Yes the depth changes that quickly. There is no space to give yourself a few hundred feet extra running room. Much of the ICW is like driving your car on a highway. You really can't take your eyes off the road or your hands off the wheel. Some open areas like the Albermarle and Pamlico Sound you can travel at cruise speed but you still need to pay attention and stay on the sticks. (And off the crab pots). Obviously anywhere you are uncertain you should slow down.

    Almost anyone who travels the ICW enough has made contact with the bottom. I have. Once. At idle, in neutral, bow touched mud, backed off, moved over, kept going.
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    There was a dog leg just north of the alligator bridge. You are running straight for miles then these confusing set of 5 floating markers take you around a extremely shallow mound of oyster shells, stones and sand. I hit it at 22 knots in my Princess. We could not even make lamps out of those props. That dog leg has since been corrected to a fluid turn.
  8. NYCAP123

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    Don't think I'd limit it to pod boats. Basically when in doubt follow someone bigger than you.
  9. motoryachtlover

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    Yes the ICW is a PIA. Some places I just spend the night so that I can time the tides through particularly troublesome areas. So it takes me longer but so far I have not had a hard grounding. If the weather is conducive I found running offshore a lot less stressful. Also Active Captain has others comments on what you might encounter at a particular area saying something like favor R38. Even though Active Captain has a fair amount of what I consider false alarms I find it very helpful.
  10. Pascal

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    You have to do your home work when carrying anything over 5’ draft in the ditch and if needed play the tides. I haven’t had to do it in a few years but every night I would go online and search for the latest on the next day run. Active Captain is useful but also other websites. I would then put post it notes in my ICW chart book

    that infamous dogleg just north of the Aligator river bridge was well documented along with many other nasty spots like Hells Gate, Jekyl, shallotte, new river, Lockwood etc.

    sometimes you have to be creative with your schedule. Most people start early and end the day fairly early. Sometimes I d start late morning and run well into the night to get thru shallow spots at high tide, even after dark.

    and read the charts... Dont run a straight line from one marker to the next, There could be some shoaling encroaching into the channel especially in bends. Sometimes you have to guess where the deeper water will be b it usually with a plotter practice you can tell
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    No wonder my Markel insurance coverage goes up, ICW is taking too much running gear. Luckily for me the Columbia River has a shipping channel. Not that sand bars don't form and move when out of the channel. Local knowledge is a good thing. Scouting from the dinghy is not uncommon for me.
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    I have three suggestions having done this many times- run outside when the weather permits - go really slow inside when you are even in questionable areas or passing and this last trip down a few weeks ago I used Aqua Maps with the USACE survey overlayed. Also I used Bob423 tracks overlayed ontop of that to seal the deal. Bob has an extensive resume of running the ICW and he records his tracks for people to use. I have found them to be really excellent and reliable! http://bobicw.blogspot.com/p/bob423-long-tracks.html
  13. motoryachtlover

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    I follow Bob423’s advice as well. I have aqua maps and am obviously not using it to it’s full capability. I am going to pursue the overlay features you speak of. I have an upcoming trip from Hilton Head to Palm Beach and my Aqua Maps is being weird. It is jerky when scrolling and at Hell’s Gate there is no warnings from Active Captain.
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    I use my regular Garmin plotters for most things but when entering the inlets and on the ICW I use Aquamaps on a big iPad Pro in addition. I like the fact that its easy to update the charts and the USACE surveys update regularly. The surveys are incredibly useful. Just another tool....
  15. NYCAP123

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    Having run the N/S-S/N route over 100 times you're making too big a deal out of it. I've touched bottom twice in all those times. Once with the Hatteras (5' draft) by an inlet just north of Charleston where I saw it coming. Just put my bow into the sand and anchored till the tide came in an hour later. First time was mid-channel just north of Carolina Beach with a 3' draft. Again could see it was dicey but that bent a prop even though we were going dead slow. Worst thing about the ICW is that it's gotten so SLOW with all the development the past couple of decades. Get you updates on Salty , relax and enjoy the ride. But pay attention every minute. Due to it being so SLOW though outside is definitely the better and more relaxed place to travel. I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the Rock Pile up by Myrtle Beach. A little pucker power there with a big boat. Not real hard but there's no small misses there.
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    NYCAP not at all trying to start anything but we maybe making a big deal out of it but I like 933RSR like our boats right. In other words, I had my running gear laser aligned, props scanned, engines aligned last year and I don’t want that messed up. The expense of damage from a grounding is certainly part of the pain but so is the hassle of getting things repaired why you are trying to enjoy your vacation and depending on where you ground you might be stuck with not so good choices with the yard that is nearby. I think it may be beneficial for others not so experienced to hear that a trip down the ICW requires homework & vigilance and is not to be taken cavalierly.
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    Good to hear you take good care. I wouldn't own a boat, and unfortunately have found you to be the exception rather than the rule with the boats I've run. Of course running the ICW requires homework and vigilance. You'll notice my admonition to "pay attention every minute". I always carried paper charts for the entire coast and my personal GPS with routes marked on both for any questionable areas along with a full set of cruising guides and Salty's ICW updates. I also grew up on the south shore bays of L.I. which are basically big sand bars interrupted with little pieces of channel. So I might not freak out by skinny water as someone used to places like the Chesapeake. Just saying that the ICW isn't to be avoided just cause there's some skinny spots. Barges with 7'-9' drafts travel it all the time as do fixed keel sailboats. So there's water there, but it does require eyes open all the time (especially near the inlets in the Carolinas). I always encouraged owners to come along on the trip cause I consider it a college education in boating. My main reason for avoiding the ICW is time. Seems everybody through the Carolinas has put in a dock hoping they can sue some boater throwing a wake, and we don't even want to think about So. Florida. But if the weather forces you to the inside it's not to be feared. Just pay attention 100% of the time. It also helps if you know how to read the water as well as the charts. Look for that change in color and especially the change in texture. That's a change in depth. If you're in the crinkle and it's deep stay out of the glass and visa/versa no matter what the chart or the buoys say. One thing very few people realize is when their charts were drawn, and the ICW changes many times each year as the storms come and go.
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    I tend to side with NYCAP. I have done 100's of ICW deliveries. I have a chartbook that is marked throughout the way, but knowing what to look for, looking at latest reports, and going. I haven't damaged any running gear yet and most all of the yachts I've run through there are 50' and above. It is sad that the ICW is as shallow as it is though. In 2003 I worked on a 97' that drew 9.5' and we used to travel the ICW exclusively and there were only 4 small areas where we had to be careful.
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    As Nycap and Capt J said, I've been running the ICW north and south for 30 years, on all kinds of boats including tugs. For the last 12 years it has been the portion from Beaufort/Morehead to Norfolk twice a year on a 130ft motor yacht drawing 7-1/2 ft. As long as you pay attention, learn how to read the water and get used to the fact that you're running close to the bottom there is no problem. Be cautious, yes. Be scared to do it, no. It's a beautiful portion of the coast, especially if you want to avoid going around Hatteras.