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Which criteria provides the most stability at sea in a 48-55 foot?

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  1. mapism

    mapism Senior Member

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    These days, many (if not most) Predators either come with stabilizers from the factory, or are retrofitted with them.
    "Inherently stable" is what every boat is, but only when stored on a cradle.
    Even catamarans can roll like pigs, depending on conditions.
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    What I am trying to convey is that some yachts have A LOT more inherent stability than others. Sportfish due to their low center of gravity and design are generally a lot more stable than motor yachts. Some hulls are extremely stable due to hull design and stabilizers add very little (on plane). Other hulls are a complete mess and roll like crazy even on plane. No amount of stabilization on a bad hull will make them ride as good as a hull that is inherently very stable without stabilizers. You can't fix a bad design with stabilizers, you can only help mitigate it's poor tendencies.
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    I understood what you were trying to convey, but I just happen to disagree.
    Hull stability is a very specific technical concept, that has very little to see with overall comfort - which I assume is what the OP was actually looking for, when he asked about "the most stable cruise".

    In fact, as I'm sure you know, also hulls with a high initial stability do roll in a seaway, eventually.
    Leave the "such a good hull that doesn't need stabilizers" argument to boat show salesmen - we all know better, around here.
    The difference is that highly stable hulls tend to roll with a snap-back effect, often coupled with a short roll period, that makes their motion jerky and uncomfortable - if not even dangerous, whenever you can't find anything to grab while moving around.
    OTOH, hulls with a lower inherent stability will probably roll to a greater degrees range for any given conditions, but their much softer and predictable pendulum-like motion, with a longer roll period, is more pleasant - or less unpleasant, anyway.

    On top of that, you are right in saying that hulls with a very high stability benefit less from stabilizers, but that's actually their problem rather than a plus, as you seem to suggest.
    Remember, between a hull with a low vs. one with a high roll resistance, it's the former that is easier to stabilize, not the latter.
    And that's NOT because the latter wouldn't benefit from stabilization, but because no matter the type of stabilizers used, they will never be as effective as in the former (unless oversized, which opens another can of worms).

    In fact, also leaving aside all technicalities, at the end of the day I've yet to hear of anyone going RTW with SFs.
    I understand that you like them, and I'm not denying that they have their place, but proper blue water boats they are not.
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    A 63’ hatteras sportfish with a tuna tower not only Did a transatlantic twice, but also went around the world on it’s own bottom. Name of the boat is “post one” a lot of SF travel long open water distances. Many go to Bermuda each year from the U.S. and etc.
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    Yeah, also Buzzi reached Bermuda from NYC with a 41 footer, AVERAGING 40 kts and establishing a new world record.
    So what? Exceptions are just that, exceptions - that prove the rule.
    Nobody in his right mind would pick an FB 41 - even if way safer, faster, more stable (to the point of being self-righting) and seaworthy than any sportfish - and neither a 63' Hatt for that matter, just for making that sort of crossings for pleasure.
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    Whatever boat you look at you can see if there is room to add a gyro stabilizer (SeaKeeper). I have a SeaKeeper 6 on my Galeon 500 Fly and it works like a dream. Whatever vessel you decide on be prepared to put money into her regardless. Yachting/boating is not for the weak. Yes many of us can do our own work and save thousands but parts are still parts. And an older boat will most likely need something. Purasan, Watermaker, updated electronics, etc. etc. Good luck in your search and make sure you have a good boat surveyor for sure.
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    How do I find a good surveyor in SWFL? Do surveyors typically drive over from the east coast of Florida?
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    I think you're about to get some good recommendations. Florida members, have any?
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    Yes, most South Florida surveyors will drive over.
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    I recommend Florida Nautical Surveyors if you are going to use a Ft. Lauderdale surveyor; I believe they do have a surveyor that lives locally. For the west coast exclusively, I have used Adrian Volney several times with clients who were pleased. However, I have recently gotten a recommendation for Rob Cozen, but that is a 2nd hand recommendation.

    Judy
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    Thanks for the tip!
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    Thanks for the info!
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    Thank you!!