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Our Navy's Stupid Mistakes

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  1. Capt Ralph

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    Did they ever fix (reliably) the propulsion transmissions on the LCS floaters?
    If you remember, the first two boast failed. One first made it to Singapore , the second failed around Mayport FL . The next LCS have made it to Mayport but have not gone anywhere.

    Hense my SA remarks every winter for these floaters to stay in the great lakes and NOT come down here.
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  2. brian eiland

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    BTW, Mr Ward, those were some great links you provided
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    Sure it does for nearshore local waters, but remember they are starting from scratch, have no naval history of note, and those boats have no deep water capability.

    Our coastal or littoral defenses would be well notified of any approaching threat like these catamarans and resolve them with air power.

    More a concern for South Korea, Japan and Vietnam.
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    @PacBlue
    Chinese Missile Boats
    Precisely, they are NOT designed as an offensive weapon to be used against us. They are designed to defend all those areas that border the south china sea.
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    Defend? That’s pretty funny but we will let history work that out.

    But you said it “makes a lot more sense” so I assume it is directed at the US. Who are we threatened by in our littoral waters? Maybe the answer is relevant in terms of what we do? And since when are we going to start pulling the missile trigger on the high seas, when does that happen in littoral waters?
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    I've been reading some of the reports prepared by the Congressional Research Service (which is part of the Library of Congress). All the ones I've read are excellent - detailed, objective summaries of the topic. You can see

    There's one that reviews the current status of CVN-78 - the new carrier USS Gerald Ford (it's woefully behind schedule, overbudget, and still has endless problems with all the new technology).

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/RS/RS20643

    I particularly liked this comment:

    Electromagnetic Compatibility
    • Developmental testing identified significant electromagnetic radiation hazard and
    interference problems. The Navy continues to characterize and develop mitigation plans
    for the problems, but some operational limitations and restrictions are expected to persist
    into IOT&E and deployment. The Navy will need to develop capability assessments at
    differing levels of system utilization in order for commanders to make informed decisions
    on system employment.

    Because of the systems like the electromagnetic catapults, and the new arresting system has an electromagnetic component as well, there's so much high-voltage and high current throughout the ship that they're having trouble with interference.
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    Those mini EMPs are detectable. An enemy can aim a weapon at it.
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    Congress is the biggest problem here. The Navy is not asking for more LCS’s, quite the contrary. Congress keeps pushing more on them so Senators and Rep’s can direct spending to their districts and show they create jobs for their constituents.
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    Yep, Look at the P6 program.
    The new replacement for the Orion P3s. The most bomb proof AWS platform flying.
    Modified 737s (P6s) just kept some home state folks employed. It's not a better AWS aircraft.
    Has yet to successfully or reliably launch a torpedo yet....
    Years later, P6 T tubes are still mounted straight down.
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    I agree completely that Congress is the problem. They operate without a budget and spend money based on votes in their districts. The Navy has been given an impossible mission of patrolling the oceans worldwide without funding from those that benefit.
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    You can't place all this blame on Congress. The ever growing military certainly is to share some of blame with there ever increasing request for more military items, and the defense contractors creating an increasing market place for themselves.
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    Of course the revolving door for retired high ranking military officers and government officials to work for defense contractors perpetuates the system, congress is focused on re-election and spends accordingly. A lot of the projects would never happen if congress vetted all military projects based on need and cost. The previous post #31 USS Gerald Ford is a perfect example, no one has a clue how much the final bill will be, a blank check project.
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    What are you using as a metric for your statement "ever growing military"? I don't want to sound like I'm defending the Navy here as lord knows they have their share of issues. But I do think blanket statements without facts are not the way to go. The Navy in particular, has not grown, quite the opposite. During the Reagan era the Navy had over 600 active ships, all with large crews and very human dependent systems. Recently, the Navy dropped all the way down to 274 ships. The current, well advertised goal is to get to 355 ships but it is doubtful they will get there. In most cases, ships operate with smaller crews due to automation and such. So I'm not sure how you measure "ever growing"? Yes, the budget continues to go up but that's no different than everything in this world that costs more every year.
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    And that cost does NOT include the huge support 'strike force' needed to protect each carrier.
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    Yep, we forget about the support it takes to keep one those behemoth's operating. Guessing it is much more costly than a small city due to logistics.
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