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olderboater, Mar 16, 2020

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For accurate and up to date information on the virus, I'd strongly recommend https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

They are updating frequently and collecting information from all available sources. They also have testing numbers, timelines and much more information. They do not go down to the state level. Several news organizations have information by state. The CDC is running behind in that regard.
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For accurate and up to date information on the virus...
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These numbers are probably not correct these days, at least in Sweden we are no longer testing the infected unless in hospital...
olderboater, Mar 16, 2020

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Well, they're accurate as to those you report. None of the numbers anywhere reflect all those with the virus. That is many times more, only those officially diagnosed. They probably understate deaths as well.
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The Welland Canal will open March 24/20 and Montreal section of the Seaway will open one week latter April 1/20 do to high water. It will be interesting to see what effects it has on shipping especially the ships from Europe and the boarding of pilots.
We had our first case yesterday and schools are closing for three weeks and local cities and Niagara Falls are closing everything down. I have had many phone calls from owners and captains of yachts that come to Great Lakes every summer inquiring on how things are here. There has been talk about closing borders will have to wait and see what happens. I returned on February 26/20 from a two week Caribbean Cruise out of Fort Lauderdale and have had no problems.
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Canada closed the land borders today to everyone EXCEPT Americans and dual citizens
GhostriderIII, Mar 16, 2020

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We have 55 cases total - up 10 today - all pretty much in hospices around Panama City
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http://www.city-data.com/covid-19.html
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Currently 39 cases in Broward and 23 in Miami-Dade. Florida total is 142, 160 when you count non-residents which for some reason the state doesn't want to do.
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Currently 39 cases in Broward and 23 in Miami-Dade. Florida total is 142, 160 when you count non-residents which for some reason the state doesn't want to do.
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It's all about the numbers. Politicians first. All of them.
GhostriderIII, Mar 17, 2020

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43 cases in GA, the bulk around ATL where my daughter lives.
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43 cases in GA, the bulk around ATL where my daughter lives.
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Talked to relative in Gainesville, he says this is overdone, ate dinner in Atlanta the last two days. What??
olderboater, Mar 17, 2020

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Currently 39 cases in Broward and 23 in Miami-Dade. Florida total is 142, 160 when you count non-residents which for some reason the state doesn't want to do.
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Now 55 in Broward and 43 in Miami. Going up every hour.
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That’s 98 and 97 and a half will survive.
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That’s 98 and 97 and a half will survive.
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Well, I was able to calculate the 98. I'm still trying to figure out how that half person will die and survive, even though the statistics may indicate that. But then I always wondered about all the families of 3.3 people.
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That’s 98 and 97 and a half will survive.
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Now, afraid I must point out that we will exceed your death number. Have several plus have a nursing home with deaths still being checked.
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I dont understand the endgame. We are flattening the curve for obvious reasons but the virus is so widespread that the consensus is a large majority of Americans will get it eventually. So are we going to flatten the curve and hunker down in place for a year? If this is the plan I would love to hear how that will allow everyone to get food, shelter, etc. I don’t think suggesting a vaccine will come in less time for mass use is realistic.
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The goal is to flatten only in the sense of not allowing it to grow so rapidly to a peak. It's not to spread it out. It's to follow the example of South Korea rather than wait and experience the rapid increase in deaths experienced by Italy. Even being more like China although perhaps not all the same methods. Italy's death rate per capita is nearly 10 times China. It is over 4 times South Korea.

As we currently stand, we're much like Italy at the same time in the cycle. We have way too much social contact. We don't have testing. Then worse, we don't have the facilities ready, the equipment or the medical personnel we need. We have about 10 days to do something extraordinary to avoid the kind of rapid rise seen in Italy and Spain.
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From where I'm sitting - i.e. Italy - I can only second each and every word.
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Tom Serio put together a business continuity plan...
https://www.yachtforums.com/feature/coronavirus-and-continuity.32705/
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About 8 days ago I posted this on another forum, noting with alarm the history of another worldwide pandemic virus,...the one of 1918. I went on to read some more about that virus, and wondered if we could learn from it?

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So here is that initial Sunday morning show last week that so alarmed me,..

a few portions that caught my attention

mild spring wave that ballooned in the fall,....

press reports suppressed,....
https://youtu.be/pCF_ePFYPDU?t=183
https://youtu.be/pCF_ePFYPDU?t=213

this one should not be as bad as 1918,....
https://youtu.be/pCF_ePFYPDU?t=319
https://youtu.be/pCF_ePFYPDU?t=362

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Another reference,...

Killed more people than WW1,WW2, Korea, Vietnam, combined
https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=48

it was just the flu,..
https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=98

Oct 1918 https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=122

may have originated in Kansas?
https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=177

the virus mutated, the flu can hide for awhile, then return..
https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=349

three waves of flu, the latter the most dangerous
https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=380

Could another pandemic happen?
https://youtu.be/UDY5COg2P2c?t=2229

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This flu virus is NOT 'manufactured fake news',...its real, and it could come back in an even more viral form in the near future (like this fall?),...history can repeat itself.

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brian eiland, Mar 18, 2020

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That posting started quite a long discussion, and then this morning there was another interesting link made,..
https://docs.google.com/document/d/...JAGbdfF67WuRJB3ZsidgpidB2eocFHAVjIL-7deJ7/pub

That was a very interesting posting ,...very long and somewhat difficult to read thru,...but interesting.
Here are a couple of paragraphs I found interesting,...

Mutations[15]

RNA viruses are subject to fairly high mutation rates as RNA based genomes do not copy themselves faithfully, thereby accumulating mutations quickly which can lead to failure of the virus (analogy: unaudited software code will often eventually fail due to a critical error) or can lead to a stronger mutation - which is likely what has happened in 2020 (when coronavirus “jumped” from animal to human; it is doubtful that this has occurred because of the use of chloroquine) as we have have two forms of COVID-19 (“more aggressive” and “less aggressive”). If the replication quality of RNA virus like coronavirus can be destabilized this will likely cause it to self destruct, but there is always the risk that the virus mutates to become more aggressive.

Treating COVID-19 with chloroquine, as is being done in South Korea and China does have the potential to lead to a mutation. The mutation can either be beneficial or harmful to humans. In this particular case, chloroquine is likely being used to destabilize the replication quality of COVID-19, providing significant potential for COVID-19 to self-destruct, which would likely bide more time for health systems worldwide to increase capacity and equipment as well as allow time for the public release of a vaccine. All precaution must be taken into account for the risk of escape where COVID-19 comes out stronger.

Manufacturing

Chloroquine and its analogs has been manufactured and distributed at global scale since approximately 1945. While there has recently been a shortage of N95 protective masks, medical systems can adjust and dramatically increase the supply of chloroquine in the world. Chloroquine tablets and intravenous formulations are generic and easy to produce.

Tablet vs. Intravenous

Currently chloroquine is most widely administered in tablet form (chloroquine phosphate. While readily available, the issue is that when the tablet is ingested, it must be processed through the stomach and be taken up by the small intestine, for which then it enters the blood and subsequently the respiratory system. Because of the metabolism, this takes time and there is a loss of chloroquine delivery to the respiratory system (where COVID-19 replicates).

When chloroquine is used intravenously against malaria (chloroquine hydrochloride), it is being mainlined directly into the blood stream so that it is distributing around the body within seconds, likely encountering the virus faster and at a higher concentration in the respiratory system. Intravenous formulations are readily available and should be studied accordingly.

Conclusion

Chloroquine can both prevent and treat malaria. Chloroquine can both prevent and treat coronavirus in primate cells (Figure 1 and Figure 2). According to South Korean and China human treatment guidelines, chloroquine is effective in treating COVID-19. Given chloroquine’s human safety profile and existence, it can be implemented today in the U.S., Europe and the rest of the world. Medical doctors may be reluctant to prescribe chloroquine to treat COVID-19 since it is not FDA approved for this use. The United States of America and other countries should immediately authorize and indemnify medical doctors for prescribing chloroquine to treat COVID-19. We must explore whether chloroquine can safely serve as a preventative measure prior to infection of COVID-19 to stop further spread of this highly contagious virus.
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