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Coronavirus Covid 19 and Marine Industry

Discussion in 'YachtForums Yacht Club' started by olderboater, Feb 29, 2020.

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  1. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

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    You cannot look to China and it's numbers to analyze the government. First the numbers from China are not accurate. Second they have put entire cities on complete lockdown with the military and people have not been able to even leave their houses for a week, weeks. That type of confinement would never work in a first world, non communist country. So we have to see what happens in Italy and realize we are about 3 weeks behind their bell curve and adjust daily as necessary.
  2. bayoubud

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    The reason for fear is most people are not prepared for a long-term emergency that affects supply of necessary everyday items. Also, the possibility of stores being closed. Went to pick up a few things today and noticed people buying larger quantities of flu medicine still on the shelves. Empty shelves around the store, no TP. There would be a lot less anxiety if the general public prepared for these emergencies that can last months rather than days or weeks. Prudent to be prepared.
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    Capt J, I would not count on that if the right conditions in your area occur, it is called martial law.
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    Went to a local supermarket this morning to get a few remaining things on our extensive provisioning list, I didn’t even try to park. Full lot and a few people on line outside. So... I went on Amazon Prime Now and had everything delivered two hours later.
  5. Capt J

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    Strange how 1 county away is so different. I was at Publix after lunch today, it was a normal amount of people for a weekend day. No TP, no paper towels, sanitizer, or Kleenex, or cabbage or carrots. They had everything else.
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    Amazon out of Charmin and Sparkle Paper towels.
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  7. Capt J

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    Lowes and HD seem to have plenty of paper towels from what I've been hearing.....water too.
  8. bayoubud

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    No need to stack up botted water. There are filtered water bottles that make water safe to drink. Many will remove viruses and bacteria, good to use on a boat or for your drinking water.
  9. PacBlue

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    It’s is prudent to be prepared for emergencies and that’s what people are doing now. The general population of the US does not stockpile as a common practice as they typically do not have the money, space or refrigeration. 75% of households in the US make less than $100k, the average household income in the US is around $48K, most average households are paycheck to paycheck. Not much room for preparation.
  10. timvail

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    Similar situation here in Canada, here in Ontario Costco has run out of alot of your staples you would normally buy weekly. Some food stores have put limits on how much you can purchase (good idea) so everyone has what they need.Were being told not to worry about food or supplies going forward.
    Our federal and provincial government has made it clear they will do what ever is necessary to contain and have this issue flat line. Schools, public meetins, events etc all cancellled. Those over 70 yrs old to stay home. Many venues closed including day care centers, march break here so camps etc for the kids also cloased. Wish it was summer time here instaed of winter. Would be nice to be able to head out and live on the hook for a few weeks.
  11. Rodger

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    St Lawrence Seaway

    St. Lawrence Seaway releases COVID-19 measures

    3/15 - Guided by information made available by the Public Health Agency of Canada, the St. Lawrence Seaway Management Corporation (SLSMC) is working closely with Transport Canada and all other relevant authorities on a comprehensive response to the COVID-19 crisis.

    SLSMC has put in place a series of measures to ensure the continuity of operations on the St. Lawrence Seaway for both domestic and ocean vessels. These measures are designed to maintain an efficient transportation corridor into and out of the heartland of North America, while safeguarding the welfare of all personnel. We are continuing to follow the evolving situation and are working to ensure that lock operations will be reliable when commercial navigation resumes on March 24, 2020 (Welland Canal) and April 1, 2020 (Montreal to Lake Ontario Section). Detailed Seaway notices related to the opening of the commercial navigation season will be communicated through usual channels within the next few days.

    For ocean vessels coming into the St. Lawrence Seaway, adherence to the 96-hour advance notice of arrival to the government of Canada is essential. In addition, all crew members of domestic and ocean vessels must be monitored for symptoms of the virus and notice must be promptly given of any confirmed or suspected cases of the virus on board prior to Seaway inspectors boarding the ship.

    From our understanding of new restrictions on transportation, all cruise ships carrying 500 or more people will be prohibited from entering Canadian waters. Consequently, cruise ships should monitor Transport Canada communication channels for further updates, as these stipulations may change in the future.

    Please be assured, the current health crisis has the full attention of the SLSMC’s leadership, and the situation is being constantly monitored to ensure that our waterway continues to function as a vital contributor to the United States and Canadian economies. We are committed to keeping our customers informed and remain focused on meeting your marine transportation needs with reliability and predictability. Please reach out to us at slsmc-cgvmsl@seaway.ca for any Great Lakes St. Lawrence Seaway System questions related to COVID-19.
  12. olderboater

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    Looking at the recreational marine industry, a luxury industry, it's dependent on the world economy. No one knows the losses the wealthy Chinese business owners have incurred or the costs incurred by the Chinese government. I think every business owner has already looked at the cost of an extended shutdown, some including paying employees and some not paying. The problem is that even the most profitable haven't just left the money sitting there. For every business that doesn't survive, those that do lose a customer or vendor and generally both as the business might be gone as a vendor but the owners gone as customers.

    The problem is even thinking through this and what will happen after things resume because none of us have ever been through anything like this. Most businesses in our area have shut down for up to a week for a hurricane and some longer. Businesses elsewhere haven't even done that.

    I do think for a while, the last thought on the minds of most will be buying a boat. Even if you have the money, your attention is turned elsewhere. Is the impact like the luxury tax or like 2008 or entirely different? I do know some builders have already experienced cancellation attempts from some Chinese buyers.
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    Not saying everyone can stockpile food and necessities. Maybe the current crisis will be an awakening for most to be prepared at some level in the future realizing that they cannot just go down to the store and get whatever is needed in some emergencies. Looked at companies online yesterday that sell emergency food supplies yesterday and most are sold out, just shows by the time you realize the situation it is probably too late.
    Interesting stats:https://www.finder.com/doomsday-prepper-statistics
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    Numbers of cases by region - a key statistic.
    Well organized and clear. Done by a 17-yr-old Seattle wiz kid for free.
    3 million visits a day!
    https://ncov2019.live/data
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    me thinks the wiz kid was looking at the WHO website. (under stats) cut and paste.
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  17. Capt J

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    It's because most American households waste their money on stupid stuff or gambling, drugs, alcohol, etc. It only takes about $300 to be stocked up for just about anything. Cases of water are cheap, toilet paper cheap, bleach cheap, B/S chicken breasts, frozen veggies, canned food, propane or charcoal for the grill etc...…. for $600 total expenditure you can have a small generator and gas included that will run your refrigerator or a portable a/c.
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    The lifestyle of those in the US can be debated ad infinitum.
    But it is safe to safe most of us on this forum have more than the average and we shouldn’t disparage those with less. There are some who never see a $600 surplus of cash in hand. There are also large forces at work that ensure gambling, drugs, alcohol, now marijuana, etc. maintain their stranglehold in this land , and that is a whole other discussion.
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    At least his is easier to view and has a better breakdown for the states.
  20. bayoubud

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    I wanted to say that but didn't, my opinion too. My wife just signed up for Shipt, should have been doing that before now. I am not a shopper.
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