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  1. RER, Jan 5, 2020
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    I didn't open the attachment. But your next move should be obvious. Submit in writing a request for extension of dates to suit your requirements. Give the seller 48 hours to respond. If they accept your modified dates, fine. If they don't, then it's your decision to move forward with the original terms or not. But it looks like you may have already talked yourself out of it now anyway.
  2. Pascal, Jan 5, 2020
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    You need more than 5 minutes at speed to make sure no issues pop up. You want to be sure both coolant and gear temps stabilize.

    I m expert on the river system but spring is usually subject to high flows and food due to melting. Expect delays which will rack up the delivery costs. Lots of debris too which can cause running gear damage
  3. mapism, Jan 5, 2020
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    She does look well equipped indeed.
    Btw, it seems from the engines pics that there are PTO hydraulic pumps on both sides.
    Out of curiousity, do you possibly know why?
    I don't think the Seakeeper needs that, and I'd be surprised if the thrusters were hydraulic.
  4. makesumwake2, Jan 5, 2020
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    i asked for an extension but it was denied. i can still close on time however. it just seemed rushed.
  5. RER, Jan 5, 2020
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    Okay so you wrote up an extension request and it was denied then. Asking is not the same as submitting the request in writing. Asking is deflected by sellers easily and most often. Closing on time seems near impossible based on your posting further details - if you want to be involved personally. Either way good luck in your endeavor.
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  6. makesumwake2, Jan 5, 2020
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    i spoke to the selling broker directly and he said the owner wasnt going to extend closing.

    i have a week to fly in and look at it with the surveyor. surveyor(s) have a additional time to do sea trial. when i get back in town on 17th i can accept or deny. brokers have 2 weeks to finish closing. as i understand this is considered a normal closing timeline.

    i dont have to be there for the sea trial. let me know if there are other factors im not considering that would make it near impossible. i felt like it was rushed but not impossible.
  7. Capt J, Jan 5, 2020
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    Don't be afraid to walk away if the boat has too many issues. Azimuts are the problem childs of the yachting world and you better get very friendly with a marine electrician.
  8. RER, Jan 5, 2020
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    Well I don’t want to beat a dead horse at this point but I am going to take one last swing here because this is a pet peeve of mine. It’s not the brokers decision. That’s always the answer when you ask the sellers agent. That’s why I always put it in writing and that gets put in front of the seller. Anyway, I’m sure you’ll figure out your way through it.
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  9. captainwjm, Jan 5, 2020
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    Don’t know your situation, but for me it’s too much money and too much uncertainty to be rushed into. You made this bed, but you don’t have to sleep in it. As Capt J says, don’t be afraid to walk.
  10. makesumwake2, Jan 5, 2020
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    thanks! this is my first yacht purchase so im as green as they come, and i appreciate the advice. im going to make a firm decision on it hopefully by monday. i didnt even go see it yet, so it looks bad me asking for extension before even seeing it. once i see it, have survey done....and maybe i need a couple extra days, im sure they wouldnt mind doing an extension - now that i appear to be serious and not just wasting their time.
  11. makesumwake2, Jan 5, 2020
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    if its the boat i want, i dont have an issue closing fast. i was hoping to buy soon anyway. ive been looking for a year now. mostly at older body style azimuts 2005 to 2007 range, and most listed around 550k to 600k, with owners not budging on price.
    if for similar money i can get a new body style in awesome condition, with these high $$ options, and fresh water boat as well....seems like a dream come true.
    most of the new body style 2011-2012 range azimuts are listed around 800k-900k if they are in good condition.

    i intend to charter it, and azimuts charter well in miami. and it seems the charter revenue easily makes up for the azimut deficiencies.
  12. RER, Jan 5, 2020
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    The seller doesn’t have to do anything that’s not in the contract. I would have a contract that I can live with before I spend money inspecting the boat. What you ask for at the end, survey allowance, closing date extension, etc you are going to have to live with the sellers response. Sometimes things go smoothly sometimes there’s bad feelings by closing time. The less you need from the seller before closing the less of your time you may be wasting.
  13. cleanslate, Jan 5, 2020
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    Man, you got to go see the boat! Photos can be old, doctored up and really just don't show things that you really need to see in person.
    They know your green , and are really working on you and that knowledge they have about you. Never buy a boat with out a good sea trial and get yourself a good surveyor that you find on your own, not one recommended by the broker .
    If you really want the boat, you will find the time to go see it with a surveyor to help you look at the boat. Look up "S.A.M.S" boat surveyor in the town or closest city the boat is near and call up a few to get a quote.
    Spend a little money and time now , before you end up with a nice looking junker that you need to pile money into just to sell/ get out from under it.
  14. Pascal, Jan 5, 2020
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    If you don’t inspect, do a sea trial and survey before the 17th you will have to accept the vessel and close on the 31st or loose your deposit

    If weather prevent sea trial, you may be able to get out of the contract... better have an attorney look into it.
    You need to get up there with a surveyor ASAP...

    how could anyone sign a contract with tight deadlines sight unseen in the middle of winter !!!!
  15. Oscarvan, Jan 5, 2020
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    Good question.
  16. mapism, Jan 5, 2020
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    In the seller and broker's boots, I would already consider yourself very serious indeed, for 68 thousands of good reasons...
  17. makesumwake2, Jan 5, 2020
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    3 local surveyors are telling me we can survey without any real problem. they just have to wait for the right wind direction, and do it in the morning. i can always reject the boat and get my 10% back before the 17th. if i wait on it, the weather prevents survey for sure!
  18. mapism, Jan 5, 2020
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    As a premise, I have nothing to see with Azimut, and the fact that Vitelli is a compatriot of mine is where my relationship with him ends.
    Besides, I did consider a few of their boats in the past, and I liked none of them, for reasons irrelevant in this context but which have nothing to see with their electrical systems.
    Not because I'd call them excellent, but because I've seen much worse - also in some US boats, btw.

    All that said, it seems to me that yours is a sweeping generalization.
    There aren't many boatbuilders who survived the worst crisis in the history of pleasure boat industry without going bankrupt or resorting to some turnaround specialist (AKA buzzards), and eventually came out even stronger than before.
    If you can think of anyone else who performed better than Azimut Group in this respect, I'm curious to hear what names spring to your mind, because pretty sure there is none on this side of the Pond.
    This doesn't mean that their products are the be-all and end-all of the yachting world, of course.
    But if they managed to do what they did by building and selling "problem childs", one should wonder what all their competitors were thinking...?!?
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  19. Pascal, Jan 5, 2020
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    I don’t consider surviving a recession a reason to buy a boat from a builder.

    that said I ll five two names. Hatteras and Viking. The new viking MY are pretty impressive and top quality. Hatteras well... no need to explain.
  20. olderboater, Jan 5, 2020
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    We must separate Azimut in the US from Azimut in Europe. The level of service and support is far different. In the US, Warranty is 100% controlled by Marine Max, both work and any decisions as to approval of work or work to be done.

    The Issues Capt J points out are very common and often a struggle to get properly fixed under warranty in the US.

    From all I've heard, Azimut and Benetti have far better reputations in the US.

    If the buyer finds he's having electrical problems or other problems, then I'd advise finding the best boatyard he can to address those so they can be fixed right and no longer trouble him. It's the lingering problems that can drive someone crazy and the only reason for them to linger is the people working on it don't do a good job.
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