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Tragic Dive boat fire in California

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  1. Capt J

    Capt J Senior Member

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    That's exactly what I got from the article. But, charter dive boats and fishing boats aren't really the best paying jobs in the industry nor do they attract the cream of the crop.
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    Please do not sleep with hatch open, floods possible . It may have been too many devices being charged/recharge @ once.

    Guess why the crew slept on deck ?
  3. Oscarvan

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    So they could pack more paying people down below?
  4. Capt J

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    No, boat has bunks for I think it is 46 people, had only 34 guests and 5 crew.
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    And that has been the red flag issue dogging this incident from the beginning. Cause of the fire is one matter. Cause of the loss of 34 lives is another.
  7. Pascal

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    The mystery deepens.

    Looks like the fire started at the aft end of the main deck even though the charging station was supposedly forward.

    After jumping to the forward part of the main deck the crew couldn’t get inside the boat because they couldn’t open a window. Does it mean there were no doors near the galley and the forward section?

    So to exit the bunk room people would have to exit forward and have to go aft? How could such a fire trap be certified for passenger service?

    No fire axe on a wooden boat ?
  8. PacBlue

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    I have not seen the machinery space layout or been on this vessel myself, but boats like these typically have a one piece transverse aluminum fuel tank forward of the machinery space. A bulkhead then separates the machinery space from the bunk space. If this transverse fuel tank design would have not been continuous from port to starboard, that is , if it was a two piece tank with an opening between the centerline of approximately 30", an emergency exit through the machinery space and away form the fire on deck could have been a life saver. This exit could be fitted with alarms and lights so any inadvertent entry into the machinery space in times of non emergencies would be easily recognized.
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    To add to what Pascal and PacBlue said.... this caught my eye:

    BOTH means of egress into the same enclosed space....... If said space is on fire you're done. A death trap. Bad, bad design. Where the legal culpability lies is for the lawyers and juries to hash out, but morally it started on the designers drawing board (unless later modified) and goes up the chain through the certifying agencies to the owners/operators and the captain who accepted the command.

    There's been a few fires in my RV world, and as a result of those we had a lot of people rethink their strategies when sleeping on one. Flash lights and extinguishers within reach and a GOOD means of egress Without having to traverse the rest of the space.... I certainly look through RV's and boats with different eyes today.

    May they rest in peace.
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    From another site;

    National Transportation Safety Board releases preliminary report on fire that killed 34 people

    All six crew members of the ill-fated dive boat Conception, which caught fire 2 September killing 34 people off the California coast, were asleep when the blaze broke out in violation of regulations requiring a commercial vessel to have a crew member stand night watch.
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    I seen a news video of about a 5' 3" 110 pound reporter using the rear hatch on a sister ship. She commented she had to stand on a bunk and contort her body to get out. The rear hatch was above bunk beds !!! No one getting out, not even the person sleeping directly under the hatch. I bet we'll hear all overcome by smoke.
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  14. Oscarvan

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    I wonder what percentage of operations follows the rules in that regard. I bet the number is bad. Maybe an uptick after an event like this, and then it'll be back to business as usual. Let's put it this way, I remember being the 12 year old being made to feel important after being assigned night watch duty on a 35 passenger charter (in dock). Now I know why I got the job lol.
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    That two in a row along with the report released this week on duck boat sinking. CG isn’t implement recommendations put out 20 years ago by the NTSB
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    I think it goes back to the mfg's, insurance companies and law enforcement.
    USCG really does not want to dictate how to build a boat past what the CFRs have already stated.
    I don't think there is any more room left on a helm dash for more stickers.
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    Well that’s the problem. When USCG inspectors issue a decal stating the vessel has been inspected and is deemed safe to carry paying passengers, the public has a right to expect a reasonable level of safety

    In this case, crowding 40 people in a space below deck one set of stairs and a tight emergency hatch above a bunk is not safe

    same with the Duck boat that sunk earlier this year. And the NTSB had made recommendations the USCG ignored. Read the NTSB report... it s very enlightening. Not only do those boats have low freeboard but the canopies used created a death trap. In a previous accident the cause of the sinking was a Broken clamp on a shaft seal. Not broken clamps but clamp. Singular. How could an inspected passenger vessel be allowed to carry paying pax with single clamp under the water line!!!

    anyone remember the NTSB report on the casino launch fire a few years ago on the west coast of Florida? If I remember correctly USCG inspectors had signed off on fuel tank sight gauges that were left open. Plus a number of other design deficiencies

    years ago when i took the master class, I was amazed that CFRs actually allowed fewer rafts on inspected wooden hulled vessels operated within a few miles of shore. I guess wood floats...

    I understand the USCG is limited by the CFRs but that excuse doesn’t work when they reject obviously valid NTSB recommendation
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    No common sense: The California Fire and the Duck boat should have been eye openers for the CG, builders and Operators, but no, the NTSB is talking to deaf ears, the almighty $ is so more important...? o_O
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    Don't forget TOTE