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  1. PacBlue, Jun 16, 2019
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    The Russian Navy has a long history of engaging the US Navy in theses so called pissing contests, including fly overs with their jets and near misses. There is plenty of video information out there if you really want to find out.

    As far as political strategy goes, that is a whole different topic outside the Colregs, now you are veering off course.
  2. Seasmaster, Jun 17, 2019
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    Observations from a "Tin Can" sailor.
    1) During flight ops, the "F" flag is flying for flight operations, but if only HELO ops, it's "H" flag.
    2) Day shapes are flown; Ball-Diamond-Ball
    3) For "A captain": Don't know what kind of vessel you were master of, but it doesn't sound like it was ever in military operations. When landing helo's, generally speaking you want the relative wind 30 degrees off the port bow. That way the helo command pilot, who is in the right seat, has better visibility with the ship. And when a helo is landing or taking off, one doesn't want to change course radically!!
    4) The Soviets would interfere with the carriers in the Med, in "the day". It's what they do! Apparently, it's "game-on" again.
    5) Like NASCAR, rubbin' is race'n. Many times the Soviets and USN scrapped paint. Lots of dents, but no loss of life or sinkings.
    6) One cannot appear intimidated. I had personal experience with another Navy's ship coming close aboard to about 100 feet. That captain knew EXACTLY what he was doing, to make my ship alter course. I held on, gritted my teeth, and was ready for an EMERGENCY BACKING BELL!! I didn't use it!! And I didn't have to burn my underwear either!
  3. Capt Ralph, Jun 17, 2019
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    I can only guess that was a US drone taking the pictures. Sadly, When I try to blow the pics up there is no resolution left.
    I see no RAM day shapes or any special flags.
  4. PacBlue, Jun 18, 2019
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    $1.5B USD since 2014 to the Ukraine, not exactly lack of resolve: https://dod.defense.gov/News/News-R...announces-250m-to-ukraine/source/GovDelivery/
  5. AnotherKen, Jun 18, 2019
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    my guess is that the Russian pilot had his hand on the wrong joystick and got starboard jiz instead of port whiz.
  6. A captain, Jun 27, 2019
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    [QUOTE="Seasmaster,
    3) For "A captain": Don't know what kind of vessel you were master of, but it doesn't sound like it was ever in military operations. When landing helo's, generally speaking you want the relative wind 30 degrees off the port bow. That way the helo command pilot, who is in the right seat, has better visibility with the ship. And when a helo is landing or taking off, one doesn't want to change course radically!!![/QUOTE]
    Though I am aware of the generalities of recovering aircraft, I did not mean to imply that I had personal experience in that field.
    However, my point which I guess you missed is that the captain of the US ship could have made a significant and apparent course change when he first identified the Russian vessel, and the encounter would never have happened.
    I know that's just not the "American Way", but honestly, we've been trying that old "American Way" for several centuries, and it really hasn't worked out all that well. Perhaps it is time to stop playing the 'mine is bigger' game and work towards real friendships and harmony.
    Personally, I'm tired of seeing young Americans dying for the fruit companies in Central America or the oil companies in Iraq. I know why my buddies were slaughtered around me in SE Asia, and it darn sure wasn't to stop Communism.
  7. Seasmaster, Jun 27, 2019
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    You are familiar with RULE 17(a)(i), right? And 17(a)(ii)? And 17(b)? If you are, then you can't possibly ask the question.

    And if you are "aware of generalities of recovering aircraft", they you know the ship conducting flight ops really couldn't make a "significant and apparent course change" while conducting flight ops!!

    (And lastly, although I thank you for you Viet Nam service, your service there (nor mine) has NOTHING to do with the discussion; so why bring it up?)
  8. JWY, Jun 27, 2019
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    A Captain: While talking politics is taboo on YF, there are the occasional posts that get by without the moderators deleting the post or locking the thread. But your comments are some of the most distasteful I have read and I am sorry they have been allowed. My patriotism has always been based on my belief that America is the greatest country in the world. I have visited many countries worldwide, sparing a few in Africa, Asia, and So. America and believe that America offers more freedoms and opportunities than the others. I recently spent 4 days on a Tiger Cruise aboard the USS Carrier John Stennis and my patriotism was bolstered by our fine sailors. Please take your political rants to another forum and keep your comments on YF to yachts.

    Judy
  9. Pascal, Jun 27, 2019
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    The captain of US vessel could have changed course 90 degrees or even made a U turn, the Russian would still have followed and come close. It s what they do

    Blaming the “American way” is just pure BS. The problem is the Russians, it s not the first incident and not the last.

    Enough.
  10. Seasmaster, Jun 27, 2019
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    All right you guys! We are going back to where this first started. COLREGS!!

    Of course I’m gonna blame Pascal and Cappy J. LOL.
    It seems there was a little confusion. Capn J was of the opinion that you can be over taking and crossing. Pascal however succinctly stated it: if you are 22.5° or less abaft the beam, you are crossing. COLREGS is very clear on this.

    There are only three possibilities for vessels in sight of each other: meeting; crossing; over taking.

    So here’s the hypothetical situation:
    You on a ship heading 000° true and detect on the radar a vessel 25 miles away bearing 120° true (30° abaft the beam. He is not visible. You notice he has left bearing drift and the range is closing. His speed is 3 knots faster then yours. Pretty soon the radar indicates a very tight CPA ( closest point of approach). An hour later, you see the ship on the horizon, and you observe him on the radar at 100° true (10° abaft the beam).

    It now appears that the CPA will be very tight, and risk of collision is high.

    Here are the questions:
    1) What situation exists; Overtaking or crossing?
    2) Which vessel is the giveaway vessel; your vessel or the other?

    Enjoy
  11. Beau, Jun 27, 2019
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    Agreed, This thread isn't educational or fun any more - it's a couple of guys arguing about who has the bigger, little toe? Its like that guy who sits down at his computer for an hour and answers thread after thread with nonsense.
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