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Itama fortyfive : finally all problems fixed

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by muscled430, Oct 2, 2017.

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  1. Liam

    Liam Senior Member

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    His definition is a Med one, cruise for three hours new beach, cruise for two hours, new marina, and go around the nice places. Some famous other less so.
    Central and Western med have a Marina on average at every twenty nautical miles when you are going coastal cruising with a couple nice anchoring spots in between.
    If you go fast it is easily to do 1000 nm in few days. That is why fast boats work so well in the med.
    You should have something similar on the East coast of the USA from NY till about the Caribbean and Mexico. But I might be wrong as I was never in the area.
  2. olderboater

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    We do, but the boats that do that are not ones I'd label as long range cruising boats. Cruising 1000 nm from home and back in a period of perhaps three weeks is not where a 44' Riva or a 55' Itama excels and they're limited in offshore cruising due to range. They're great inside the Mediterranean but not going to take you to the Azores or Porto Santo. Once you get beyond Gibraltar they're out of their element. Long range to me isn't three hours.

    To me, I would not recommend the Rivarama or the Itama 45 for someone seeking to do trips of 1000+ nm, cruising 200 nm in a day, going outside Gibraltar or regularly to the Bahamas and certainly not from the US to the USVI. I would never want to spend a month with four people total on either one of them and really wouldn't with just the two of us. We love the boat but for what it is.

    What we do love it for is we decide tonight we'd like go to Hammock Beach Resort in Palm Coast for a couple of days so we cruise there tomorrow, making a fuel stop and grabbing lunch in Ft. Pierce. Stay two nights, come home in one day. We might do the same to Atlantis or just a one day trip to Key West. Great to go to Key West, just enjoy the night there and come home. However, 8 weeks to NY, then Boston, back to Newport and then 5 weeks back home, running mostly offshore. That's not for either of those boats, in my opinion. I don't see choosing either of them to go from Barcelona to the UK either. Can't even do a direct trip from Barcelona to Corsica.

    Really it's the definition of long range and to me no boat with a range of 200 nm is a long range cruiser.

    As to the A classification, that's a safety thing, definitely not a comfort, want to do it regularly kind of thing. Just because my boat will do it, doesn't mean I want to.
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    Only boat I've cruised the med in was a 116' AB. Speed and range. Wasn't one of their faster ones, but still was nice. It's max was 47 knots and cruise was 36 knots.
  4. Liam

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    Yes agreed on what you say no Itama or fast boat with a range of 200 / 300 nm can be considered a long range cruiser.
    I think to enter this title your full fuel tank to near empty (allow 10% reserve + or -) range capacity has to be close to 800 / 1000 nm at a certain cruise speed.

    Without going into details CE A category main difference to CE B is stability tests.

    If you are a couple or a young family of two adults and a small child an Itama 45 and Rivarama can be good for cruising the med for a week or two in Summer.
    Why do you want an eighty footer for two people, to stay paying the crew and extra fuel?
    Then if you want a big condo in a marina better buy that, a condo in a marina, will also give you a return on investment.
  5. muscled430

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    Well, I cook without any problem on the Itama.....and in the Med from Liguria to Corsica we have 90 miles, same to go to Elba, to go to Sardinia 180 miles, and to Ponza 280, which only makes you stopping once.
    Cruising speed is 28.5 by the way. Range of a Rivale is......240? so not really far from an Itama....again it is only a question of comfort, I will feel safer on my Itama than on a Pershing 64 in case of rough sea....
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    Agree, Rivarama runs much worse than an Itama on rough sea. Honestly I do not know what they used as extra soundproofing, I only know they made a great job.
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    Yes, range on both is equally bad.
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    Honestly saying, a boat range should be minimum 350 nautical miles, 400 even better. It seems that yards do not understand that. Then the range problem if it is at least 180/200 in the med is not a big issue, from Genoa to Sardinia (Costa Smeralda) there are about 220 nm, but along Corsica, which is around 100 miles away from Genoa there are a lot of ports where you can refill the tank, same if you go down to Sicily, you have tons of places to refill. On top of that, cruising for more than 4 hours without stopping is annoying.....so the only thing not possible to do in the med with a limited range boat like an Itama or Rivale is to go straight from Chefalonia (Greece) to Reggio Calabria (Italy), but you can do it crossing near Corfù.....adding about 60/80 nm at the navigation. And you cannot go straight from Sardinia to Minorca, but again you can do it going along France....adding about 150 nm. In the ocean is for sure a way different, impossible to go with an Itama from Miami to Nassau, but only for a range problem, because an Itama is for sure safer than tons of other boats with longer range. And no one should forget that the boats that were winning the race Miami Nassau were small boats around 30 feet with deep v.
  9. olderboater

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    Now, that is certainly a different perspective. I had no idea that was the case. To think I've done all this cruising and didn't know I was supposed to be annoyed. Certainly a different perspective than ours.
  10. Liam

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    In my experience he is right from a certain PoV. As a captain I always see guests getting bored or tired on a planning boat even if the sea is flat after a three hour non stop run.
    The trick is to split long trips of five hours or more (where possible) with a swimming break.
    As helmsman I think it depends for the day.
  11. muscled430

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    Agree 1000%. What I usually do is to cruise for 3-4 hours starting early morning, then stopping for refilling, having a swim and lunch, and then start again.
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    You need more interesting guests with you. Lol. We do a lot of longer days and never bored when on the water. Music, conversation, snacks.
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    Music, conversation and snacks at 28,5 knots with 5 feet waves? well....good for you :).
    Usually when I do long transfer (6/8 hours) no one want to come