USS John S. McCain - Collision in Singapore

Those poor sailors had bad Sushi. You know what I mean.

Certainly they can recognize Class B vessels by AIS. Even I can identify Class B vessels and switch of my transpoder. And I don´t even have a US warship. Just a boat with a common cheap class B transponder.
What on earth do you think?!? Of corse you need someone to look at the screen occasionly...

Defeating Transmission? You mean just switching off the outgoing signal while receiving incoming signals? No problem even with my toyboat transponder. And reprogrammung a transponder with some civil ID is something the service people at your local boatyboaty stuff shop can do if they're able to open a notebook.
But a cyberattack? Who is supposed to do that? The Russians who manipulated yout elections to make Trump become your president? The Chinese who prduce half of the stuff non-edible stuff You buy? Some sort of James Bond - villain?
What's wrong with the theory that your own navy guys messed it up?

Many AIS transponders you can shut off the broadcasting portion of it if you want and just receive AIS. I don't believe the Cyber attack one bit. And, no a cyber attack still wouldn't knock out a radar. The Navy has too many steps in the chain of command. Their officers don't have enough helm time before being promoted and the training on the navigational end of things is seriously lacking these days from what I hear. There definitely is fault on the Mccain's side of the equation. How much who knows yet. But for a much smaller, much faster, much more nimble war ship with the "best" technology on earth to get hit by a container ship, there cannot be at least some liability of fault.

Obviously quite a number of unfavorable events, probably on both sides concerning the collision(s) led to these tragic results. However, at least a last moment attempt to avoid a collision is something a navy vessel is much more capable of and one should expect a totally different level of situation awareness aboard a warship as that's one of their technological key abilities.
@d_meister: Concerning my AIS transponder I'll take a look who produced ist, don't remember. But it was one of the cheapest I found, probably from China...
Considering the other funny guy with strange haircut: I guess they are perfectly happy if one out of three rockets is able to fly and doesn't fall off the sky unintended.
Suspecting them of beeing able to affect a US warship to a relevant level just might be to much honour...

And, millions more to tow it all the way back to Pascagoula or Bath for repairs.

Well, this just in:

"The U.S. Navy has already taken action to prevent future mishaps involving its ships at sea, including turning on the Automatic Identification Systems of its vessels in high-traffic areas.

The Navy’s new policy on transmitting AIS was revealed by the Navy’s Chief of Naval Operations Admiral John Richardson during questioning following his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee this week on the recent incidents involving Navy Surface Fleet ships. The incidents include the deadly collisions involving USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain as well as two earlier incidents, one of which was a collision.

Under U.S. and international regulations, nearly all ships are required to carry Automatic Identification Systems that automatically transmit key information about the ship – such as vessel identity, type, position, course, speed, navigational status and other safety-related information – so that info can be picked up other ships, coastal authorities, or aircraft.

Under U.S. law, however, warships and other Government vessels are not required to use AIS, even though almost all Navy ships are equipped with a functioning AIS system – it just happens to be turned off."

"It just happens to be turned off" . . . classic

It's worth noting that AIS only transmits information that is manually entered into it (other than speed and heading). It doesn't have to say it is a warship, destination, displacement, etc. It could transmit that it is a freighter, fishing boat, etc. Whatever is put into the AIS transponder. At least others would know there is SOME kind of vessel on a collision course with them and could take appropriate action.

Seems pretty easy to me.

ROCK

Agreed. As to "in sight of one another", contrary to many Captains who keep the entire boat dark so as to retain there night vision while running at night, I will light up the aft deck with everything I've got. If I am driving from the pilothouse I will also light up the flybridge. So many out there without radar or AIS. Not to paint with a broad brush but, sailboaters I have encountered whilst transiting the NW Providence channel at night are the worst offenders.

Most of the boats I run like a speed about 12-14 knots so my preferred method to cross from Florida to Nassau is to leave while still light in the afternoon, transit the NW Providence Channel overnight, then arrive Nassau when it's light again. Has always worked well for me with the obvious exception of encountering others in the dark without navigation aids. Thankfully, most vessels out in that channel at night are professionals (freighters, cruise ships) and know what CPA means and how to use a VHF to verify intentions.

Edit: as to my earlier comment about sailboaters. No offence was intended. The NW Channel reaches depths of 7000 feet. Not for the faint of heart. Most powerboaters will go across"the flats" which have a nominal depth of 10 feet or so in places. Unfortunately many sailors need more than that due their draft, and must use the channel. That is likely why I encounter sailors on my overnight excursions. I'm sure I would meet as many idiot powerboaters if they couldn't take the other route (except they don't tack, so easier to gauge their intentions).

As to "the flats": I get nervous when I am running and can look over the side and see the lobsters running around Then there is always "shallow water squat" to be concerned with. Give me the deep channel any day. Big bronze props is expensive! Just adds a couple of hours to the trip. Small price to pay for peace of mind.
Thanks,
ROCK

Yeah, where were the spotters and trained radar tech's "on both ship's". Kinda scary being in in a shipping lane nowadays with these frequent collisions... always thought the pro's had their eye on us...odd that we have always been able to spot ships day and night while traveling and fishing.

This:

And of course not broadcasting an AIS signal . . .

I have no issues running the flats. From Port Everglades it's an extra 3 NM to go around North Rock and across the North route to NW channel and plenty deep for 7' draft and under. I've taken a 109' across that way before. For 5.5' draft or less I cut through Triangle Rocks and take the route across from Cat to NW channel. The bottom is all consistent there with no unknown or known obstacles.

But I find it really horrible seamanship for a Ferrari getting overtaken and run over by a City Bus......Or a destroyer getting hit from a containership. Just think how many more guys the Navy has on watch at any given shift versus the freighter than might have 2 on watch at night.

Oh, they could have and most likely did have more eyes on watch, it is about the action or inaction that occurred when processing the information. A chain of command thing.
But it has recently been stated that all ten watchstanders hand expired certificates for their bridge duties as more light gets shed on the subject.

http://www.nautinst.org/download.cfm?docid=702FCCC5-6187-40D6-8D5BABD714095B29

http://www.professionalmariner.com/...-the-use-of-VHF-Radio-in-collision-avoidance/

http://solasv.mcga.gov.uk/m_notice/mgn/mgn167.pdf