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Buyers Broker or not?

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by jhall767, Aug 5, 2016.

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  1. jhall767

    jhall767 Senior Member

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    I'm currently looking to move up to a 1990's 48-54' sport fish. I've got a pretty good idea of my price point and requirements. I'm located in Baltimore and I'm willing to look at boats pretty much anywhere up and down the coast. And these boats really are up and down the coast. I'm considering using a broker to help with the purchase. I'm trying to decide if that's worth it or not. There are few boats locally that I am interested in. Obviously there are way more that meet my criteria up and down the coast. If I find a boat that may match what I am looking for but it is a plane ride away then do I need to find a broker local to that boat?

    Thanks
  2. olderboater

    olderboater Senior Member

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    I always recommend a good buyer's broker. A good one can save you time and effort and also they can advise and protect you. It costs you nothing as the boat is being brokered and a commission will be paid. It's just whether the seller's broker gets it all or a broker you select gets half of it.

    Now this does mean you have to select a good broker and that is a key. A bad one does nothing for you and sends you on wild goose chases. A good one will pre-screen the boats. It doesn't mean they won't send you on a wasted trip, but that will mean they were lied to as much as you were. Often they'll be able to get information that is difficult for you to get from the selling broker. Then they'll be helpful in closing, in putting your deposit into escrow, in helping you find a surveyor.

    Basically, they're a professional doing this all the time. You aren't.
  3. jhall767

    jhall767 Senior Member

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    I'm fine with a using a "good" buyers broker. If I was buying a house I'd find one that knows the area and go through them to buy the house. I would expect the broker to scour the area for houses that match what I am looking for. With the boats I am looking at they are scattered around the country. Do you track down a broker in each location? Use a local broker who tries to find a boat no matter where it is? Let the local guy handle it even if it is several states away?
    I'm not buying a multi-million dollar boat here so I'm not expecting anybody to fly around the country to inspect boats for me. Just like you said - help protect my interests when closing the deal. By the time I'm ready to fly out and look at a boat I'll know if it will be the right one - assuming it's as advertised and passes survey. Last boat I bought we had a deal before I was back on the plane.
  4. olderboater

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    I would find one who specializes in the type boat you're looking for. First choice would be your area so you can "interview" them face to face. Otherwise you're doing that on the phone, but don't skip that step. Talk to them. Ask them what they'll do for you. If not comfortable or sold, move on to the next one. If they're good and experienced, they have contacts all around the country. They will scout out the market and also find out what they can about any you call to their attention. Often times you'll call a boat to their attention and they'll already know some of it's history. If not, they'll talk to someone who does. Getting on the plane should only be necessary when it's the boat assuming it passes survey or any deficiencies can be easily remedied. Obviously they can't fly all around the country to look at every boat either. The good ones though won't send you to a boat that is horribly misrepresented by the seller. Even if it's just a boating friend of theirs, they will at least get a walk by. They will question how recent the photos are and, if not recent, require some current photos. To me that is always one of my first questions, "When were the photos taken." I've seen times they were the same photos used to sell the boat 4 years ago to the current owner.

    A Broker feels more comfortable asking direct questions and is far more likely to get honest answers from the selling broker. Or the broker knows from experience whether to trust a selling broker.
  5. Capt J

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    It really depends on how savy you as the buyer are. A good buyers broker can screen boats, but there are lots of them not as good. How do you know how good they are when they're out of the area. Also like you said the boats are spread out all over. You do get some of the benefits Olderboater has mentioned when you do have a good buyers broker. I have one owner who is looking for another yacht, he uses one broker for Lazzara's, one for Sunseekers, and another for Neptunus and everything else when he looks at them. However, he looks at a lot of boats before buying. He does tip each broker $2-500 each time they show us a boat, me as well for looking at it with him, but he's the best owner I've ever worked for.

    By buying from the listing broker a lot of times you can get a better deal on the boat. If the offer is lower than what the buyer wants, but fairly close, I've seen brokers cut their commission to make the deal happen and sell the seller another boat. That's easy for them to do when they're dealing with a full 10% commission, and would usually only be getting 4% of it anyways. Buyer's broker usually gets 6% of the commission, and generally that's split 50/50 with their brokerage house.