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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by ychtcptn, Sep 25, 2015.

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  1. ychtcptn

    ychtcptn Senior Member

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    According to a press release, Nautech of France has come to an agreement to utilize a shipyard in Cuba and is looking for a large vessel refit project.
    I would say this is promising for the future, but until the US lifts restrictions on imports it would be very tough to get supplies and parts to the project, everything would have to come from Europe. I think this would eat up any savings in Labor.
    I am already hearing of more boats either heading that way or making plans to, I for one can't wait to go and explore. I think once things open up the Bahamas are in for a tough time!
  2. olderboater

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    Things will come slowly enough as to not cause the Bahamas major problems. As to tourism, there has been a good bit of regular travel back and forth for years. As to boats, there aren't the facilities to even dock that many. I see the big step to bring a significant new level of tourism, being when resorts and casinos are built. Then cruise ships will run there. People will fly over for the weekend. Then you're back to the future, the Copacabana type club.

    Today, those of us who haven't been there are anxious to go explore. That doesn't make us regular visitors though after the exploration nor big spenders there. The marina needs lots of work to accommodate more boats. To bring money making tourism there is going to have to be a lot of money spent. All this, of course, has to happen after much further relaxation of US restrictions.

    Today, tourists from all the rest of the Americas are free to go there. How many do? The infrastructure for tourism just isn't there and won't be soon. Then toss one other potential problem into the equation. Our political situation. Will the next administration open things up further or reverse some of the changes made?

    As to the boatyard for a major refit, it would be years before I could imagine any possibility of major business for it. How many boats are being taken to the Bahamas today for major refit and yet there are no restrictions holding that back.

    Now, I am going to toss out one of the first types of tourism I could see opening big when allowed. Medical tourism. Cuba is ranked high for medicine. Leaders of Central and South American countries go there for treatment.

    Like you, I do look forward to visiting, but the time is too soon for me right now. Maybe another 6 months to a year. We have no problem meeting the requirements to visit in multiple ways.
  3. Capt Ralph

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    I'm confused.

    No direct shipment from the U S really needs to me made. Lots of our stuff already comes from over seas from countries that DON'T have a problem with Cuba.

    The French and west Pac Rim already luv Cuba. I do not see a hardware import problem.

    Expanding that last thought, does Cuba really need anything from the U S?
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    Daily flights from the Bahamas, Caymans and Honduras to/from MIA.
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    Yes, Cuba needs our money. They've been dependent on it for years. Don't think for one moment that a lot of US money doesn't end up in their economy. I know so many who regularly take money to their Cuban relatives.
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    To the people or the Cuba machine. For years money has been coming in to the country. Feeding tourism and investing into infrastructure. Uncle Ramel's extra cash may come from his family in Florida. Not sure a French boat yard or any new business is worried about that.
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    I spent 1/2 an hour with the guy who is driving the whole thing. I am curious as to how it will go but everything has to start sometime and I wish them the very best in getting this operation up and running.
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    Let's hope they do bring qualified people to supervise it!
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    I can't imagine doing a refit in a country with un proven labor and whre everything has to be imported...

    From a cruising persoective I don't see cuba as competing with the bahamas. The northern shore doesn't have any of the variety of cays, beaches, sandbars all in mostly protected waters as you find in the bahamas.The only areas that comes close is on th south shore but it s a long way around and more developed than the bahamas with resorts, etc...

    I think that as a charter destination, especially bareboat, eventually cuba will compete with the Caribbean. Land based tourism will also give the caribbean, especially the USVI, PR and DR a run for their money once things open up to mass US mass tourism
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    Qualified personnel and facilities in any field of endeavor are built over a period of many years working from the beginner's level and progressing upward over time. Having spent time in poorly developed countries with no recreational marine experience, I do not believe there is any significant populace of Cuban labor with meaningful marine manufacturing, refit/repair skills. I assure you that I for one would not take any vessel to Cuba on the naïve premise that as an island nation it has a knowledgeable marine industry. The Bahamas certainly does not, they merely have a few yards with cheap labor, but no population which can afford boats for themselves, and thus no substantial basis for a skilled and comprehensive marine industry.

    As to Cuban medicine, many Bahamians have gone to Cuba for procedures and returned home wishing they had not, requiring remedial procedures to be performed elsewhere.
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  11. Pascal

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    Well on the other hand, a country were people have to make do with nothing for 50 years and have the skills to get a 50 something Chevy truck across the Gulf Stream may not be that bad.

    As to cuban medicine, I have heard first hand account of people dying from things that aren't treated routinely in the rest of the world. Heck they are still fighting cholera outbreaks! in typical socialist fashion, party members get top notch healthcare and benefits while the rest of the people get nothing,,,
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    I've heard first hand accounts of people dying in the US due to error. Would I go to a Cuban hospital by choice? No. However, Cuban medicine is rated by the WHO among the best in the Caribbean and Central and South America. I do absolutely see the possibility of it becoming a place to go for medical tourism. Today for elective surgery people travel the world. India and the Philippines are the most popular destinations. In the Americas people go to Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, and Venezuela. With it's proximity, I would expect when legal for Cuba to start soliciting patients.
  13. ArcanisX

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    It is a common misconception to confuse dictatorial oligarchy with socialism. Despite the former very commonly labeling itself as the latter, it's two very distant ideologies. Same as both most prominent "communist" states, USSR and China, have very little to do with actual communism, which a US West Coast hippie community may resemble muuuuch closer.
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    There is no top notch healthcare in Cuba. Their stats are entirely self-reported and therefore suspect. Orthopod friend just got back from there, they won't allow outside surgeons to visit for training/mentor purposes....this speaks volumes!!
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    Medical:
    I believe I remember lots of reports about medical research and student training being carried on in Cuba,...and supported by the Cuban government in a show of 'progress' under the dictatorial/socialist government. But I never detected any real medical facilities of an advanced nature, nor were there a great many medical products available. I think there was even a great lack of medicines, ...some that would be common place in this country.

    Not a place I would consider getting any major medical problem taken care of at this point,....more locations with proven records in other places around the world. Not to say it won't improve, and likely much quicker with these new 'relationships' in place. Just not on the top of my list for the next 3-4 years.

    Boat Repair:
    When I visited for a month+ back in 1999, i spent a fair amount of time on a vessel docked in marina Hemingway. There weren't that many other boats there at the time, but there were a few transits coming and going. There were some discussions that occurred among the boat people about the existence of boat yards, etc that might be available. I do recall the mention of a 'complex' to the west of Hemingways that was gearing up to do painting of Superyachts. Supposedly one or two had already been done. This could make sense as a start up business considering the environmental restrictions placed on these paints and their application processes in developed worlds.

    There were also some talented wood workers in Cuba. I'm not certain that many of these were boat building types, but with a little supervision they could master the basics which often time are the time-consuming hours of wooden boat repairing.
    I once owned a wood powerboat (that Hemingway was rumored to have fished from once long ago), that had been glassed over, and was in need of lots of work (strip off that glass and repair the underlining wood, primarily on the decks and superstructures). That work would have been prohibit able expensive in the USA, but likely could have been favorable in Cuba. I was beginning to make a plan to move the boat from the Chesapeake Bay are down to Cuba, but one of the vessels 2 engines was inoperable. I was trying to think of various plans that might work, when suddenly a guy walked down the dock and offered me a price I could not refuse (headache gone, on to other things).

    I also recall one Canadian fellow who lived on his vessel at Hemingways Marina. He would come down for several months at a time (without his wife, who did not enjoy boats), and 'vacation' on his boat in Cuba. Then he would go back up to Canada to run his business there, and the vessel would be hauled and stored away upon his absence. He did not move the vessel often (or sometimes never) while it was in the water there,...just lived on it. Actually you did not want to come and go on your vessel as the customs procedures were terribly time consuming and unnecessarily complicated ( I termed it the Spanish propensity for paperwork combined with the Communist system for recording all things, and without enough writing paper to do all of the above, ...plus no copy machine supplies......ha....ha)

    Have to see if I can find some old pics of that vessel?
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    Watch the show, Cuban Chrome and see how much trouble and island engineering they have to do on cars that you can get the parts at a local NAPA here without any issues at all, and I can easily see why I wouldn't want to do any yacht repairs there......
  17. Loren Schweizer

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    Please indulge me and hop into this time machine.
    We are back in the early sixties in Miami, Florida. There is a small, upstart boat company over by the airport (housed originally in a Genuine Auto Parts warehouse until a proper plant was built close by the Tamiami Canal). They have excellent design and engineering staff, a kick-ass 31-footer that is winning ocean races left and right (win on Sunday, sell on Monday) but are in need of a labor force to kickstart the operation up to a fast idle.
    Enter the Cuban Refugee influx. A huge labor source providing needed fiberglass laminators, carpenters, electricians, tooling-savvy folks, and good managers. Some were doctors and lawyers back home while some were likely just off the farm...
    [Short divergence here: During WWII, the US Armed Forces, especially the Army Air Corps (pre-USAF) especially sought out farm boys from the Midwest because they were self-taught mechanics and critical thinkers capable of learning to fly and fix and build airplanes.]
    Fast forward to 1977 when a young engineer joins the company and is impressed by some of the clever solutions found on the shop floor. Oh, and these Cuban fellows aren't shirkers, either. I heard many times about how shocked these newcomers were when told they could work 28 hours a day if they wanted, and by God they did. Those who left started their own businesses. They are, in a word, entrepeneurs.

    Unless, two generations later, the Cuban populace has suddenly suffered massive brain fade, I'd put my money on yards & refits in Cuba as being viable, based on my experience.

    My $.02
  18. Capt J

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    Those same Cuban workers in Cuba are still working on the same stuff from the 1950's. Problem is technology has changed considerably in the yacht industry, yet they've never worked with anything remote related to the systems on a yacht. Most Cubans in U.S. in the marine industry have the mentality to "island engineer" any part that will work for the time being, not spend the time to get the correct part and fix it correctly. Every boat I've worked on that has spent time in Miami is a complete engineering and maintanence nightmare because you have to unfuk every system on it so it's safe and works properly and will last. The totally unsafe stuff I've seen people in Miami do on yachts is mind boggling. 1 yacht on the a/c pumps, on the discharge side, they took a PVC slip fitting and tapped it and then threaded bronze fittings in each side, about 2 rows of threads were holding. Cubans in cuba are even worse and will retrofit any old thing in order to make something work. Whether it lasts the length of time it should, most don't really care, as long as it works right now. Add to that the serious lack of parts, and equipment in Cuba. Forget it. It's hard enough to get yacht stuff fixed properly in the Bahamas, where you can get parts out the very next day.
  19. olderboater

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    I believe in some number of years there could be good shipyards in Cuba. I think that's a long way away though. You've got to have good management and good training programs. I believe in the inherent ability and desire of most people to do a good job. The difference is management and training and right now you'd have neither in Cuba. If I was going to set up a yard there, the first thing I'd do is hire experienced managers and then clear all the legal hurdles for them to be able to go in. Meanwhile I'd make a deal with the Cuban government to build schools and programs to train people in the skills I needed and to send them to schools in other places. Then I'd move forward slowly as I built trained staff.

    I think finding hard workers, dedicated workers since you'll have the best jobs in town, will be no problem. But you have to have trained and experienced managers and trained workers and that will take time and effort.
  20. Capt Ralph

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    I'm with you.
    A little direction and support (material), I think the Cuban country has a good chance.
    Any back that has survived, made do and can still stand vertical has a great chance.
    I'm just sorry (pi**ed) it's taken so long to get here with Cuba.

    Skippy J
    I also have to work behind and de-funk bugs, traps and unsafe things other techs have left behind.
    From your hood and my area (woods & swamps). It's sad and scary it happens, but it does.
    Not sure I would blame it to the Cuban work ethic. I sure do have a lot of dumb red-neck and swamp-breed comments when working behind that kind of labor up here.

    I'm going to blame our issues on just plan bad work traits. Short cut artist. Scammers.