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Recommendation for Euro electrical conversion

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  1. Sea Gull

    Sea Gull Member

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    Hi all,

    A friend is considering buying a 7 year old European made 60' boat and importing it to the U.S. He needs a reputable yard with experience converting boats from 220v50Hz to 240v60Hz (and 120v for outlets and some appliances). The boat could be delivered several locations on the East coast of the U.S., so recommendations anywhere from about Newport, RI to Ft. Lauderdale would be helpful.

    He prefers a conversion versus a frequency transformer, but could be convinced otherwise if the cost/benefit dictates.

    Thanks!
  2. olderboater

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    I would personally recommend someone like Rykovich who is use to doing conversions, rebuilds and more.
  3. K1W1

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    I would be surprised if it were 220v 50 Hz as 380V has not been used in Europe for a lot longer than 7 yrs.

    A frequency converter could easily be a lot cheaper than a full rewire and equipment change.

    Tess Electric in Ft Lauderdale have done a few over the years and will give you honest advice as to the best way forward.
  4. Capt Ralph

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    Wow
    A 220Vac/50htz boat that most equipment has to be removed, every lamp and ac fan. New 115Vac cable run most everywhere with new outlets. Tweek or replace the gen-sets.
    AND never back to the east??
    The new owner must really luv this ship.

    Is there a builder & model info to be shared?

    Cabinet work to proper fit the new appliances would also be required.
    And other updates.

    Any good yard can rip out, replace, re-wire and finish trim/cabinets.
    Sheesh, bring her up here.

    JAX FL.
  5. Capt J

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    Tess electric is good and did one for me a long time ago. Lean Marine in Fort Lauderdale is good as well.
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    New tv, audio and more will require 115Vac @ 60Htz.
    Not because of the voltage/freq but from different zone standards.
    New outlets and wiring would be required for this also.
    New bath room wires for moms hair dryer.
    I feel there is just to much stuff state side requiring 115VAC that you can not leave all 220Vac outlets intact.
    Not to many 220VAC coffee pots or hair dryers I know of.
    If you have to change over some, why not do it all correctly.
    On a good note, some euro options (ie; master volt battery chargers) are ready to go on anything. May be others still plug & play to US 115/230@60.
    Some A/C equipment will run from 220@50 to 230@60 with no problems.

    Yes, There are Euro adapters on lot of portable stuff. Who wants to deal with it when you in the states. But I ask again, is the ship going back east...?

    If the ship is going back east, then the owner may want to consider what side of the pond he really favors.
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    Why re-wire when an atlas or similar shore power converter will do the job. If the microwave craps out in a few years, buy one of amazon.fr. Same with washer and dryer....shipping is a bit pricey , but very easy to order and ship. iPhones or computers will run fine off 50hz.

    What's the problem with leaving the boat on the inside at 50hz?
  8. K1W1

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    RCRAPPS - Why do you attribute that quote of your own previous post to me?

    Looking at some of what else you posted I guess it is the rum typing.
  9. Sea Gull

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    Boat is coming to US and never leaving under this owner. He knows what is involved, as stated in my original post - he knows the options and the conversion cost is built into his budget, as is the transport cost and multiple flights back and forth to complete due diligence and purchase.

    The brand/model he is buying was built for both Euro and U.S. markets. He would prefer this particular boat be converted to conform with US standards to more blend in with its sister ships for eventual resale. He still needs to confirm if wiring was standard across all builds (ie: they used larger gauge wiring throuout., to accommodate 110v higher amperage). He is working with the original builder on this issue.

    So, back to the original question. So far we have two suggestions: Tess Electric and Rybovich. Anyone have experience with Newport Shipyard? How about somewhere in the mid Atlantic region?

    Thanks for the input.
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    Yes , it was my quote, but was trying to point out the question of:
    if the boat was going back east. I felt that was an important question to help the thread and required an answer before your comment of installing a frequency converter. This would be a good idea if the ship was ever going back and maybe debatable if not.

    I'm not eloquent on a keyboard, I tip rum. I would hope you would know I not trying anything evil or personal.
  11. Capt J

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    How big of a yacht are we talking about here? Mid Atlantic- perhaps try Jarrett Bay in NC possibly. There's also Ocean Marine in Norfolk. I am not familiar of either of their capabilities when it comes to electrical conversions, but Jarrett Bay does many various projects in addition to being a boat builder.
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    There is a guy who posts on here called something like Capt Bill 106 who is in the middle of the east coast, I think he helped NYCAP last year who could well be a guy who could take this type of project on.
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    If the builder used plenty of foresight and standardized the builds they may have used the same wiring scheme on the shop floor no matter where their creations were destined to reside. If that's the case the conversion will be easier, access to wire runs is also a BIG question mark. I didn't really do any work on NYCAP's ride while he was here K1W1 but I did get the chance to shake hands before he left on his journey. Our shop is in the Jarrett Bay complex here in Beaufort N.C. and it certainly is a project we'd love to take a closer look at!
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    as electric engineer and yacht lover, would NEVER change the electrical system of the yacht ...

    you can get a quality converter that eventually transform any dock power supply to YOUR boat electrical system.
    a couple of years ago, a fort lauderdale company that I cant remember now, offered me a nice compact system , that makes the conversion WITHOUT touch your current cabling and systems. Will be cheaper that tear down the whole boat ...

    You can always get replacement for most of the european parts that may get broken or damaged in the future ... is not that difficult as people say ..
    also, 90% of the 220V 60hz, american system will work fine with 220V 50Hz european system .
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    Anything that uses frequency for timing or any other function will not work properly if at all, fluorescent lights do not like the wrong frequency.

    I have had direct experience with trying to run a US Electrical System boat on European power and it was far from successful.
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    That is true, but going from 50hz to 60hz seems to work out a bit better in regards to most things. I worked on a 1987 steel 97' back in 2003 and it had all of the origional equipment, and everything seemed to work fine. You couldn't get any of the appliances out of the boat without a cutting torch, nothing would fit through the doorways or anything, so it had all the origional (mostly Miele) appliances and such. I don't know what it had in the way of a converter as I never asked or paid attention back then.

    With Flourescant lights can't you just change the ballasts easy enough?
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    We do not have experience with Newport Shipyard, but have friends who live in the area and get all their work done there. The only criticism I've heard, not from them, is like everything boating connected in Newport, it is expensive. They're able to handle large boats and the 60' will be small for them. They are distributors for A/Sea and actually do training as well.