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Sportfish "Silver Fox" accident at Sailfish Marina

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  1. Bamboo

    Bamboo Senior Member

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    Sailfish Marina (Singer Island- Palm Beach Shores, FL) north dock, north side. Just south of "The Buc" marina to which the "Silver Fox"- a 58 Scully- was going into it's slip. At least four on board, no major physical injuries to persons onboard was the report; boat's gear was stuck in reverse and the engine(s) rpm climbed rapidly. Actions by the captain did not changed the rpm's climb; place gear/throttle levers to neutral/forward; reportedly hit the "stop" buttons all had no effect. MTU V-10 M93 (common rail) engines. Captain is well respected and experienced; did not appear to be his fault- was a electronic gear error/runaway diesel. Took out at least one piling and the concrete finger pier then stopped by the concrete main pier. SeaTow on scene within minutes via land and sea with lift bags and pumps Supposed to be transported/towed to a haul out facility within an hour of my last pics. I cannot verify 100% all of the above so you might as well consider it my opinion and not fact.

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    A 68 foot, not 58 Scully. Not the V-10's M93's. All agreed (that I spoke with) that it was due to control failure; that's what it looked like and that's what the captain said. One engine died, the other stayed in reverse, then went right to full throttle. Hit the dock about 2100 rpm. Glad it was near high tide as the boat hit the concrete dock after taking out a finger dock. If it was low tide the cockpit would have gone under the dock and then the house/salon would have stopped the boat's backing motion.
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    Bamboo

    Thankfully nobody was hurt. I can just imagine the frantic attempts at the helm to get her stopped. Do you know if the expected mechanical cause is evident elsewhere for those engines?
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    That's the down side of electronic controls... No warning signs. Old fashioned cables will usually let you know that they are about to fail... Either they start getting stiff, or something feels loose... Obviously though, cables on 68 aren't too practical, are they?

    I m not familiar with those engines but wonder which controls they use? MTU proprietary? Why wounds the shut down not work, is the whole system tied together thru an single ECU?
    I m used to running cats with morse electronic controls and a control failure will not prevent you from killing the engine.

    What's a shame, glad nobody got hurt.
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    From other study and personal experience most electronic control failure is related to low voltage. Mathers Microcommaders controls have had numerous failures- including several times on boats when I've been at the helm. Mathers is now ZF. I believe the Silver Fox had MTU engines and ZF gears. If you google "Mathers Microcommanders problems failures" you'll find others have had issues- and those issues including going into gear and then full throttle; both forward and reverse.
    Of course it seems these issues are extremely rare for the amount of vessels with ZF products so this is not a condemnation. After talking more with captains who witnessed the event (I was there shortly afterwards but did not see the crash) they all agreed again the captain of the Silver Fox put the lever forward to no effect, and pressed the engine stop buttons to no effect. One captain said without hesitation that one engine was not running at all and the other was in full throttle reverse.
    No amount of being a "cowboy" -backing into a slip faster than the speed you wish to hit the dock- would caused this amount of damage.
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    Very, very lucky no one was hurt or killed. If he had come in directly to concrete dock it would have been much worse. The finger pier slowed the boat down. If the tide were lower the cockpit would have slid under the main dock and then the house/salon would have taken the brunt of the crunch.
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    So sad to see. Glad for no physical injuries, emotional one though.

    Way to go SeaTow, first responders are awesome!
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    I spent three hours helping them with the response. Great owners of our local franchise; it was clear even with a full staff more hands were needed and I knew what to do and when to do it. Boat was scheduled to be hauled out at the Viking yard just across the way. The Viking Manager on duty (whom I used to work with when I was employed there) made a couple visits over before the haul.


    lol- another boating site (THT) member with a thread about this incident cut and pasted my posts. I forgot my password over there and so did my computer. They linked it as well. :)

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    Bamboo,

    I'm a member over at THT. I imagine this will be posted on a few forums and I think it's good to get the word out. If you need something said over there, I'll post it for you. Just let me know.

    I was unaware of the failures these electronics are having. Seems like important information to get out.

    Actually, your thread has been linked in club searay.com as well...
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    I"ll bet its going to take him a while to get comfortable backing a boat into a tight pen, especially on those windly days when you can't just idle in (assuming you don't have bow thrusters).
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    I'm really glad to see that no one was seriously injured in this accident, it could have been a lot worse, as most of you have pointed out.

    What really bothers me, is that it's another Sculley that has now to have serious work done to her, if the insurance company decides to allow it, or someone with deep pockets wants to take on the project. I don't know if any of you are familiar with the Sculley "Money Maker" that used to fish the East Coast back in 2007-2010 (Green Bay Packers yellow hull and green bootstripe, full tower, etc) She was / is a beautiful boat. I used to tie up next to her in Charleston for quite a while. After I moved to PC / Destin, FL I saw her in Orange Beach for sale. Needless to say, she hadn't been maintained and was in repo status, and was literally rotting away in the marina, and the engines were a complete mess due to lack of maintenance and the anodes had not been properly replaced. Also, while I was in Charleston was about 63' or so that had hit the jetties in Charleston and was taken to a local yard for "repair" work, which ended up being more or less just a part salvage of her, until someone finally bought her and I don't know what happened to her after that.

    It's a shame, because they are beautiful, fast S/F's that unfortunately aren't around all that much anymore.
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    If you know, how did they finally get that engine stopped? The collision with the dock would not necessarily do that if it was "stuck" full throttle.
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    No I don't know how the engine was stopped. When I got there the engines were not running and the boat was floating but taking on water. I ran to get my 110 emergency pump and hose but when I got back in 3 minutes it was a bit too late and plus the dock's power was cut off by marina staff for safety reasons.
    I could not speak with the captain- he was a bit busy talking with more appropriate persons. Initially I was told the boat is a 58, then a 68, I don't know for sure but there is another Scully on our our dock which claims to have the same engine package which is why I said what engines it has. I cannot tell you exactly what happened because I did not see the actual crash. I spoke with my captain peers who did however. One theory of being a "cowboy" who backs into a slip high speed is clearly wrong- he was not even trying to dock at that marina- much less that slip.
    I wish I did know how he got the engines to stop, and I know we all wish we knew the actual reason for the controls to not respond to the inputs from the helm and instead tell the engines and gear to do what they did.
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    I've been in contact with the mods to get my username and password.
    The thread over there has more than a few captains and others telling about electronic controls failures as well as non-electronic controls failures.
    A pre-arrival controls check before pulling into the slip is always a good idea no matter what size vessel you are in.
    I don't know exactly what controls the Silver Fox has or why they failed. Why they failed is the important question in hopes of avoiding future incidents.
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    When you say he hit the "stop" buttons and nothing happened. Do you mean he hit the normal stop buttons that shut down fuel? Or the emergency stop buttons that should activate the air flaps to choke off air flow to the engines?

    I can't believe the emergency air flaps would not be on a totally independent circuit.
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    Does anyone know approx. how many layers of plywood do they put in the transom? I never have been a big fan of concrete docks. The boat usually comes out on the short end.
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    A dock of any material is necessarily massively stronger and stiffer than the hull of however many vessels are moored to it. Absent massive energy absorbing bumpers on a boat, or on its dock, which at the moment are nonexistent in the recreational marine industry, collisions between a boat and dock will consistently damage the boat more than the dock.