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Let's talk Navigation / Chart software

Discussion in 'Technical Discussion' started by PropBet, Mar 13, 2009.

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  1. MBevins

    MBevins Senior Member

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    Perhaps I didn't make myself clear, My current PC navigation system is Raymarine. It needs to be replaced with a competitive product such as Nobeltec, Rosepoint etc..
    This thread is at least a year old and times have changed. What are the under 100' vessels using today for the OPERATING SYSTEM. This will then dictate the supplier of the charts ( C-MAP, Navionics, etc) .I currently use CMAP with the Raymarine, (however that won't sway my choice of the new OP)
  2. d_meister

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    I bought Coastal Explorer for the simple reason that it updates all NOAA charts (that you want) in both raster and vector for free. The NOAA charts, especially the raster, are the standard for all charts. The Notices to Mariners corrections are there first. Because of the expense of proprietary charts like Nobeltec, Garmin, and the others, it's virtually guaranteed that there will be a lot of reliance on outdated charts over time. Although some may argue that "they're not making Real Estate anymore", there are some significant changes after a storm like Sandy. The other issue is that most non-NOAA charts are vector based, which means that every zoom level has different features included and omitted, and that's based on human judgement. I remember motoring within 100' of a big, red buoy in the shipping lane entrance to San Francisco and not finding it on either Nobeltec or Garmin raster charts until I zoomed down to an unusable range. It showed on the raster, though.
    Other than that, I still prefer my no longer supported "The Cap'n" for ease of use. Maybe I'm just used to it.
  3. Capt J

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    I dislike Raymarine for several different reasons and many other Captains do as well. Furuno Navnet would be my first choice, and there is a reason the majority of commercial boats utilize furuno as well. Garmin would be a far second choice........
  4. MBevins

    MBevins Senior Member

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    Capt J... I'm looking at PC Software only to run on a computer. I'm not looking for proprietary hardware such as Furuno. FWIW I agree with you about the raymarine products. Their PC software is the only thing I have and I want to change that. My radar is Furuno, my backup plotter is Simrad, my AP is Robertson.
  5. d_meister

    d_meister Senior Member

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    Navigation is only about one thing: Best Accuracy. If you want to rely on proprietary cartography that is a secondary (Primary?) income stream that is updated annually or at greater intervals, by all means: Go with the pretty colors.
    If your navigation software does not access the latest corrected NOAA charts, then you have second best. Don't think for a minute that Navionics, C-Map, Jeppeson, Garmin or any other company is trying to outspend your tax dollars to make a superior product to what NOAA puts out In fact, the NOAA data is the Free source of their product. When they get around to it.
    To be clear, I don't work for NOAA. I did work for the worlds first, accurate, land-based navigation company back in the days before GPS. That company developed the most accurate and sophisticated digital cartographic paradigms known at the time.
    Ultimately, it comes down to this. For US waters, NOAA raster charts have all of the latest information that is available. NOAA vector charts, just like all other vector cartography, is the reader's digest version.
    As is always the case: A prudent mariner never relies on a single source of information to determine his/her position.
  6. AlfredZ

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    Hi there MBevins,

    First I'll agree with what others have said even if it is not the answer you want; redundancy, paper charts, prudence, raymarine sucks, etc. Now this is my answer to your question:

    1. Personally: I have used Navionics Platinum charts (3D), lots of functions, lots of money! ($200+ per region). It is good if you want to invest a lot.

    2. A very dear friend of mine who lives 9 months every year on the water cruising and is not computer savvy: Will not change from Maptech. He bought it because it updates both vector and raster maps directly from NOAA and for free and because it is easy to go through and reasonably priced.

    3. Most all navigation equipment have software versions that use same maps and are linkable to the system either by cable directly to the unit or by wired/wireless network. Check your equipment for what works with it, this will be the best in my opinion because all your planning can be directly updated and synchronized with your glass units. Also your computer will be another unit in the system which serves the prudence and redundancy elements you have been advised about.

    Hoping this answers your question.

    Keep us up on your choice!

    Cheers,
    Alf
  7. MBevins

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    Interesting perspective, thank you. You're also saying that the NOAA Vector charts don't contain the same information as the Raster. Why would that be? My main attraction to the Vector is the ability to zoom to levels not capable by Raster. This makes it easier for "waypoint planting" and such.
    I should note i'm not looking for pretty colors, I have a 15" sunlight viewable monitor on my bridge because my eyes require it. There PC systems are the better choice.
  8. MBevins

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  9. Pascal

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    Things have changes very quickly over the past few years since this thread started

    I the mean times for about 2 years I have switched from Seaclear to OpenCpn and then on to PolarNavy which is an excellent PC based nav software, and only $50. Small program yet powerful, not a resource hog so you can run it on older machines. Very very reliable.

    Earlier this year my laptop died and I switched to an iPad. No regret whatsoever! For navigation I use the fairly recently released garmin app which has great charts including for the Bahamas. I have the cellular version of the 128gb iPad which, unlike the wifi only models, has a built in GPS receiver.

    The screen is easy to read even in daylight and as big as the older furuno Navnets we have on board. All nav functions are easy to use and most importantly it has active captain data (offline)

    Then as a bonus, it can be used for weather, radar, source of music for the onboard stereos via airplay or Bluetooth, access AIS data, and more. I also use it for anchor alarm at night, no problem receiving the signal from down below

    It has been as accurate and as reliable as the furunos and with hours of battery life it is totally independent from the electrical system in case of a major problem

    And it has a lifeproof case which is totally waterproof...
  10. d_meister

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    Pascal; does it have NMEA out to the autopilot?
    MBevins; my issue with vector charts is that although they're digitized from raster charts, there are depth contours, buoys and obstructions that are not shown at certain zoom levels. That can be an issue, like the channel buoy that wasn't displayed on approach to San Francisco. Otherwise, vector charts can be more accurate, since additional data can be incorporated, like satellite images or multiple charting sources, like Garmin's use of Explorer charts of the Bahamas.
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    I use Navionics downloaded onto my android tablet and find it to be up to date and accurate. It updates every time I turn it on but it also has another great feature, if I, or anyone else sees a navigation hazard, you can input the info directly into tha tablet and every one will see your info next time they turn it on.
  12. travler

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    I must be the only guy here that uses furuno max sea time zero and also have all the paper charts for the part of the world I will be traveling

    travler
  13. MBevins

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    Can't speak to the Furuno MaxSea but your certainly not alone with the paper charts. The idea of traveling with out them scares the hell out of me.
  14. Pascal

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    No but I really don't care, I always set a heading on the AP, I ve never felt the need to link the plotter to the AP,
  15. MaxPower

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    err no ...

    i run the navnet 3d on board connected to my laptop running maxsea time zero ...

    & have all the paper charts too ...

    :)