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  1. marineatbn

    marineatbn New Member

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    Hello all,

    I recently purchased a 1985 Carver 3207. This will be the biggest I have owned yet. The PO's put new engines in, new flooring, italian leather furniture, and other upgrades. I now have to put in a chartplotter, fix a few things like the VHF antenna, and will be ready to go. I have hired a Captain to come out and spend the day with me on the boat so I can get the hang of the size with someone experienced by my side. Especially docking, I have never owned a twin inboard and the marina we are at in St. Pete Beach leaves little room for error. I look forward to learing through the wisdom of this forum.

    J
  2. NYCAP123

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    Twin screw= Your docking just got so much easier. You'll find several threads here that cover docking a twin screw. Hit the search button and explore. Good luck. Welcome to YF.
    BTW, hiring the Captain for lessons was an excelent idea, although I'd recommend several shorter lessons concentrating on docking more than an entire day that may end up being part docking and mostly cruising. When I teach, the first lesson I walk them through their new boat and an engine room check. That takes about 15 minutes. After that it's docking, docking and more docking for about 3 hours. I like to drill them docking from every direction and under every circumstance I can put them into. It's very exhausting. On a boat like yours one lesson or two is generally sufficient. After that (and a few days of them practicing on their own) we can spend a day cruising if they'd like, and that too will be a day of constant learning, but first I want them to get the docking down cold and feel one with their boat.
  3. marineatbn

    marineatbn New Member

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    I agree NYCAP, that is why I stressed to the Captain about docking. I would love to have a few lessons, but time is just not on my side. Once I am comfortable docking her, I am confident the rest will be just pleasure. I am looking forward to it since the only time I have had on her is the sea trial and the 35 mile ride to change marina's, which was almost catastrophic. That day had a 4 tide and heavy current, and the PO had the hardest time dropping it in to the slip, which is why I am seeking some hands on instruction before attempting it myself.
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    Go very slow, then when in doubt, go slower... (unless there is wind :eek:)
  5. marineatbn

    marineatbn New Member

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    Agreed. I heard the old adage once "only go as fast as you want to hit the dock" and it has stuck.
  6. NYCAP123

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    On a boat that size one good lesson should do you well IF YOU PRACTICE. You may decide to take a second a few weeks later after a docking turns to absolute crap one day. (It happens to us all). I always tell my students that I'm not good or talented. I just do it a lot. That's the key. If you just have 20 minutes to spare go down to the boat, pull it out, spin it in place then drop it back in and go home. Do that a couple of times a week and you'll do fine.
    The most rewarding feeling I get is the "Got it" moment. When I begin a lesson I maneuver the boat using the owner's hands. Just telling him step by step what to do. They're amazed when they drop it in clean. Invariably though they say 'but I could never do it without you telling me what to do'. With each docking I instruct them less and less, and in a short time I see the 'I got it' look come across their face. A wonderful feeling for us both.:) After about 3 hours though the stupids creep in. That's when it's time to quit. Docking takes 100% concentration and that's tiring.
    And like someone just mentioned, we use finese not force. When in doubt slow down. As I like to say "Slow is cheap" or as my friend likes to put it "never go faster than the speed you feel comfortable hitting something at".

    Good luck
  7. Good Spirit

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    If I can add my two cents. Our first twin screw was a carver 3697. Docking is by far the most nerve wracking. We are now about to begin our fourth season and each spring I still do an afternoon of docking practice. The best advice I can give is to ensure that your first mate and yourself communicate with each other during docking. You both need to be on the same page and work as a team. Also be careful with the lines the boats are heavy and you can loose fingers easily if not paying attention. Best of luck it is an addictive lifestyle.
  8. marineatbn

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    Thanks. That will be one area my deck hand, or house commandant will need some work at. She has never really had any experience on a boat other than riding. So she will be getting a crash course from the hired captain as well. She just doesn't know it yet.
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    Admirals do not take kindly to surprises and boats tend to shrink when the Admiral is unhappy.

    Never, ever, forget that you may be the Captain; but she will always be the Admiral.

    A happy Admiral is a happy boat.
  10. marineatbn

    marineatbn New Member

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    Sage advice.
  11. marineatbn

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    Here is a question that might sound a bit strange. I have a couple of friends, who when visiting, would like to go out on the boat. Two of these guys are 350-450 lbs. Is there any place that I should be worried about that kind of weight, i.e, bow deck, fly bridge, aft deck, etc.? I would hate to deny them because of their weight, but also do not need a deck collapsing. I am less then 200, but having one of these guys on the fly bridge and me is a potential 600+.
  12. jlplatts

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    We have a Carver 444. This is our second twin - our first was a 31' Tiara and the difference in size made a difference. It took the admiral and I some time to get our system down. We eventually got headsets to communicate and they helped. Before that she took my loud talking for yelling, now I can talk normally and she can hear.

    Friends and extended family on board is always a challenge. They always want to help. Coming into dock is no time to have to keep an eye on someone whose skill level you don't know. They can put themselves in some very precarious places and not understand the danger. Based on this I have one rule for guests on board when coming into dock - sit in the seat and do not move. I try to be a little more diplomatic than that, usually say that the admiral and I have our system and they need to let us do it. Occasionally I have someone that forgets and I have to remind them.

    Regarding the heavy friends, I wouldn't be all that worried about the load carrying ability of any particular area. My concern is getting them on and off the boat. For us tide has an affect on our boarding position. The admiral wants to have her 80 year old mother come for for a few days... I plan to move to a floating dock when she is here. Folks that have restricted movement or lack agility worry me especially when getting on and off the boat. For some reason they always thing they have to be in a hurry.