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Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by LuvBigBoats, Sep 16, 2025.

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  1. LuvBigBoats

    LuvBigBoats Member

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    Looking at the 60MY even though they don't have a lower helm. That would be the only sacrifice. Obviously fuel burn is an issue, but I've more or less resigned myself to paying through the nose for fuel if I want to go those speeds.
    Also looked at the 64MY but was really trying to go smaller, not larger.
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    Would be hard to give up that lower helm
  3. LuvBigBoats

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    Yeah that would be the tradeoff there. On the plus side, it seems like everyone is in agreement that the Hatt quality is at the top.
    Will keep my eye out for the Mikelsons (not crazy about the 61's for sale now) and Tollycraft. Not sure I want to undergo a repower, though. I've used both Basin and Shelter Island shipyards with good results in the past.
  4. Capt J

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    64' Hatteras has a tremendous fuel burn, even dialed down to 20 knots was 100 gph.
    60' Hatteras is 80 gph at 25 knots. IF you dial it down to 20 knots which was around 1650 RPM's fuel burn is much less, I remember in the high 50's gph, going by memory. This is by far the best all around boat for you of ANY of the ones mentioned in this thread. Plenty of range, 2 gens, seakeeper, easy to work on, plenty of room in ER, built like a tank, comfortable, full beam master, and on and on. The upper helm is enclosed and air conditioned and how much time are you really spending at the helm compared to on the boat?
  5. LuvBigBoats

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    Thanks. Your last question is interesting. On my current boat I'm there a lot snce it takes me 4.5 hours to get to Catalina, and usually we're at the lower helm. On a faster boat along the lines of the ones discussed here it would be closer to 2 hours, so not a long time.
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    Before I modified my boat I was thinking of either the 60-64 Hatteras. So I have been on a few and studied them. A couple of minor things with the Hatteras 60 MY. The boat uses V drives. I have never had them but didn’t like the added complexity. The fuel tanks are aluminum on the 60. Never known Hatteras to go that route. Is that a big deal? I leave that to others but seems to me fiberglass would be better. Also didn’t like that I had to go to the aft deck and descend a 5’ (??) ladder to do engine room checks. None of these issues are show stoppers. There was an enclosed bridge 60 for sale with a glass windshield with wipers. Don’t know if that would compensate some for no lower helm. In regards to the lack of a lower helm would a yacht controller offers some compensation for that?
  7. LuvBigBoats

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    Thanks
    I thought all Hatt fuel tanks were fiberglass but haven't looked specifically at the 60. That's interesting and less than ideal. I would think of all makers Hatt would do a good job protecting the tanks from issues. My current boat has aluminum tanks also, so can't say it's a show stopper even though I would much prefer fiberglass.

    I also had a boat (Mikelson 43) with v drives. Wasn't a big deal. I think the more recent Hatt M60s (maybe post-2010?) have straight shafts now.

    I don't mind the descent to the ER if that means I have stand-up room in there. I don't have a stand-up ER now and I'd prefer a stand-up ER.

    Thanks again
    I mentioned a remote control system (like a yacht controller) above in post 5. I think it would certainly help, and most of the Hatt 60s I've seen have them.
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    Hatteras 60' my has an aluminum tank in the forward engine room bulkhead, it's in a dry location and above any bilge water, if there were any. You're right the newer 60's were straight shafts. Engine room is standup with plenty of room around all sides of engines and gens. Actually too much room IMO. Yes you could easily add a remote control system to the 60'. Almost all MY's this size range you will have to descend a ladder to do engine room checks.
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    As an owner of of a '14 Hatt 60MY/Panacera, I can offer these comments:
    1. We looked at all of the builders you referenced and we chose the Hatteras for the following reasons: VOLUME, performance flexibility, build quality, and ease of operation/maintenance.
    2. What do I mean by performance flexibility: 1000 RPMS is 10kts burning 9/10GPH pretty much constant regardless of environment. If we are not at hull speed we run on true plane: 1875 RPMS is 73% load and 74GPH @ 20KTS, 1900 is 74% load and 76GPH @ 21KTS, 1950 is 74% load and 80GPH @ 22kts. I'll skip to 80% load is 2100 and 90GPH @ 25kts. 100% load is 2350/60 @ 30/31kts We are moving a HOUSE through the water at 25kts @ 80% load....and buring 90 per hour. These numbers are for 1,150 C-18 ACERTS, full water, 3/4 fuel, 2 SK9s onboard, and a Highfield 390 on back (750-800lbs) or so. Internal fuel is 1,000 gals and we carry a 200gal bladder from ATL when doing doing long runs. '15 and newer went to 1200 gals internal as standard fuel.
    3. So you can run 300NM in daylight or you can run 400NM if you want to slow it down to trawler speeds and run overnight. For us that's Beaufort SC to JB (Beaufort, NC) in 1-day in daylight heading to NE for summer. Means I get to NYC and LI sound in 3.5 days if the WX cooperates. That's huge in my mind.
    4. VOLUME: we run to the Northeast and we have the family live and play on this thing from late June to August...dinner parties for 6/8 (we are cooking/grilling on board every day), cocktail parities pretty much every night in some form or fashion, grandkids off the swim platforms 24/7, guests 24/7 and we never feel cramped. Why? because it has a 18'+ beam which means we get a full-beam master and an open salon concept that works really well. Largest party: We have had 34 women onboard for a cocktail party at Fischer's Is....that was CRAZY but it wasn't cramped though we had women everywhere from bow to the FB to aft FB, cockpit, salon, settee. chairs on swim platform, etc.
    5. Ops and Maintenance: It's a Hatteras so Sam's is on speed dial but in terms of access it's amazing. Almost too much room in spaces, particularly engine room. Maintenance is really simple: it takes 4hrs to wash and dry her (head to toe & stem to stern), 1.75-days to wax her (head to toe & stem to stern) and because she's totally painted holds that wax far longer than gel coat. This is something I think is overlooked and not many comment on...how long does it take to keep any model in yachtie shape.

    Here are the cons
    1. Rides bow high because of the huge prop pockets, small tabs, and weight distribution with SK9s and hydraulic tender platform all at or near the stern.
    2. No 3rd head....they could have figured this out. Our master shower is too large and the utility room under the companion way stairs is like, why?
    3. Getting on/off from the deck is sometimes (tide depending or should I say fixed-dock depending) a PITA especially with a large dog. The solution (stairs to the stud side door) is really lacking. Bulwark doors would have been nice at cockpit/level. Best solution....only floating docks!

    Hope this helps as we start heading into spring boat show season.
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  10. rtrafford

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    All of this….

    I ended up at 68 feet, as this is what was required to check all of my own boxes. Now in, I don’t really see where I can shave length, even with a magic eraser. Yes, I forfeited speed and just bought into displacement, but as you stated I’m out of Ft Pierce Inlet and around Montauk in 86 hours after picking a good weather window. Im passing Diamond Shoal at around 48 hours from depart. I stay in the stream well north of OCMD and then fall off to the point.

    If you can forfeit having 20 knots, well, everything including maintenance becomes a bit easier as you’re lighter on the iron, no pounding, no stress.

    Fuel burn is affordable at that rate. Trip is comfortable given space, weight, design, fins. Comfortable and efficient. Lots of space, lots of bells and whistles, and while at sea it’s one deck living without steps with a day head on the main deck level. I’d be losing check marks in boxes if she shrank even ten percent.
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  11. LuvBigBoats

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    Extremely helpful, thanks. Unfortunately our boat just went under contract a couple weeks ago and the Hatt 60 that I had my eye on sold. (Don't want to be a boat owner.) The other two on the market right now are older models asking too much for what they are offering, especially compared to the one that just sold. So we'll see whether I wait for the right Hatt or go for something else. Your comments all make sense.

    Do you use a Yacht Controller or similar for docking? I was thinking something like that is almost mandatory given no lower helm.

    Also, do you use the seakeepers while sleeping and, if so, does the noise bother you? Was thinking I'd almost prefer electronic fins for noise, both in that I wouldn't need the genset running and the stabilizers themselves are quieter, but not sure.

    Thanks again.
  12. LuvBigBoats

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    Yeah if I could live with displacement I'd keep my Offshore. I love the boat. Wife doesn't like the 4.5 hour trip to Catalina which is why I'm making the switch.

    At first I was choking at the future fuel bills, but in the grand scheme of things it doesn't move the cost-of-ownership needle all that much, given the way we use the boat.
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    Too late to edit this--I meant don't want to be a 3-boat owner--already have a fishing boat.

    I'm also considering the Manhattan 52/55, just becuase for our use it may be "enough" even though I get the sense they aren't as robust as our Offshore (most come with Seakeepers), or a Horizon PC52 or PC60 for which I wouldn't need separate stabilization. Also looking at the Aleution and some other Grand Banks models.
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    We bought a 2006 Viking Princess 68 ft boat last year that probably meets most of your requirements which were very similar to ours. The boat comes with CAT C18s and have similar fuel burn to the numbers above, holds 1080 gallons. The boat can cruise at 9-10 kts at 10 gph or even better at 8 kts. The boat cruises comfortable at 20-22 kts and around 70% load. It has straight shafts which were a requirement for me - I know the v drives are supposed to be dependable but I just prefer the simplicity of straight shafts. We have an upper and lower helm with a side door at the lower helm. I may add a Dockmate at some point as they are under $20K, but so far we use headsets and docking is OK from the flybridge.

    We have a 3 stateroom layout with 3 heads and a crew quarters with shower/head aft. Since its a 3 stateroom layout, the full beam master is huge and so is the master ensuite head as well as the VIP stateroom. It has side by side beds in the third stateroom. It has quality Trend brand opening port holes that we routinely open including in the master.

    The livability on a 68 ft boat is significantly and surprisingly better than the 60 ft boat Princess. It has nice sized boarding doors and a passerelle so dock access is pretty flexible. Our short list was Hatteras, Sunseeker, and Ferretti. Ferretti got axed because of v drives and for Hatteras we were looking at the 64 which has C32s so that was a problem due to cost, fuel burn and unneeded horsepower. We were looking newer, more like 2010 to 2014 but found this 2006 Viking Princess that lived half its life in fresh water, just had an extensive interior refit, all new ACs, all new electronics, etc. and was in pristine condition. It also has a solid laminant hull and was made before Princess started using coring below the water line. It weights a bit over 90,000 lbs and so I think it rides well for its weight on a 68 ft hull with the C18s. We have only had the boat for 9 months so cant really comment on rough weather performance as things have been nice so far.
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    Sounds like a great boat for our needs, except we're trying to downsize a bit. Our Offshore is around 65 LOA and is a bit long for our dock, which we'd like to keep. Thanks for the info.
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    Totally get that. We simply have slightly different boxes to check…I’m great with the current pace at sea. Sure, it would always be nice to have 20 knots in pocket. Most of my boating friends do. Best example is a Grand Banks couple. They cruise extensively at 20…while I embrace actually being in motion...
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    I'm sort of like you. Enjoy the journey as much as the destination.
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    Im a better party host when I arrive, and I arrive too late to pick up the dinner tab...
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    We mostly travel at 9 or 10 kts, at least 90% of the time. It saves a lot of fuel and maybe its easier on the mechanical systems. I think some of my favorite times on the boat are on the open ocean or island hopping at a nice slow pace. Maybe even throw out a line.

    But it is nice to have a 20 plus knot cruise speed. On some runs from say Bimini to Nassau, a few hours on plane make for a reasonable arrival time, or if it gets rough out the extra stability on plane or running from a storm is nice. Now we need to make sure we spend enough time on plane to keep the C18s happy. The factory manuals want us at cruising speed for something like 15 minutes of every two hours. So to be safe I plan to get on plane for 1/2 hour every 4 or hours or so.