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Discussion in 'Ocean Yacht' started by 92Searay-37', Oct 11, 2025 at 2:00 PM.

  1. 92Searay-37'

    92Searay-37' New Member

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    I have a 2000 56'SS, I recently lost both fuel gauges at the same time.

    I don't believe it to be a gauge or sender problem, chances of both to go out simultaneously is low.

    My port saddle tank has a sender which I believe goes tot he port fuel gauge on the helm. I believe the starboard is for the day tanks. But I cannot find that sender, any idea?

    Any idea of the actual configuration of the tanks?

    Something is odd that I lost both at the same time. I know there is fuel, I filled it after I noticed the gauges failed.

    I have tested the gauges and they test ok. Any clues/suggestions to look at?
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Usually when both gauges die at the same time, the common culprit is the negative leads to the meters or the tank senders.
    What work was done anywhere just before your failure?

    Testing;
    With the gauges and on, what voltages do you see on the 3 back wires? Not the back light wires.
    You should have B+, B- and signal.
    Measure these B+ & B- to other good positive and negative leads. If your volt meter works, use these leads.
    Then measure the resistance of the signal wire to a known good negative source. Between 40 to 400 ohms (pending tank level).

    Let us know what you find
  3. 92Searay-37'

    92Searay-37' New Member

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    Me….crawling around bilge and cleaning.

    Port sender is visible, I cleaned and checked connections. I cannot find the day tank sender.
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    You may have knocked a ground or B- lead loose.
    I'm not allowed past the Carolina's anymore so I'm not available to come to assist.
    Retrace your path looking for any wire crimp that may have been knocked or wiggled loose.
    Even a water hose blast may have induced a bad connection.

    Tank grounding is often used for the battery negative lead.

    This is important as tank grounding is also an anti-static issue.
    Static makes fuel go BOOM.
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  5. 92Searay-37'

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    I attached photos of the back of my gauges, they are daisy chained to the volt meters (fuel gauges have yellow terminal connectors). On the second photo you will see the ground daisy chain disconnected, I connected a ground directly to gauge to bus bar to do some testing.

    Here are my findings.

    Port - sender wire connected, ground removed gauge reads empty pegged, connect ground to ground bus, gauge reads slightly above empty. (I know I have fuel in this tank, its reading the sender on the port saddle tank)

    Starboard - gauge with ground off, sender connected reads full. With ground to ground bus reads empty. But should read full as tank is full and a solid ground?


    Starboard Fuel Gauge.JPEG Port Fuel Gauge.jpg
  6. rtrafford

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    My first obvious step is to swap gauges and see if the problem follows the gauge. My second obvious step is to run a temporary wire from the gauge to the senders after confirming the voltage to each gauge.
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    So i swapped sender leads.
    Day tank sender to port gauge-reads fine
    Port gauge sender to starboard side- reads fine

    why?
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    To be clear, you swapped sender feeds, and now both gauges read "accurately"? If so, when you swap them back does the problem resume, or?
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    Yes.
    I swapped starboard lead to port gauge and port lead to starboard gauge.
    Gauges read fine. Saddle tank 3/4 and day tanks full.
    Swap back, same issue.
    They have to be grounding themselves through each other?

    I cannot locate day tank sender. Must be under galley way floor? I would have to rip up carpet to see if there is a hatch.
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    Both gauges work properly if they are swapped, but only one works of put into proper orientation? I'm not seeing the ground as the issue, but wondering about the relationship of the blade connectors to the individual gauges. Inspect the blades on the gauges as well a the wire side crimps. Consider replacing both crimps to fresh wire.
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    Neither work if in proper orientation.
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    Until you can get to the second sender, sounds like reversing the gauges gives you a temp outcome. Next step would be a temp wire from gauge to sender on the first sender you can access. Run over the floor for a quick test.
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    Make one meter read accurately. Prior to you reversing them it seems to have appeared one was working. Now neither work which suggests that one was reading improperly.

    yes, seems like a ground is being introduced by one of the wires.
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    Neither were working before the swap.
    But almost testing opposite when I jumped sender terminal to ground bus.
    Tried running direct sender to guage with its current ground. Nothing.

    I still think grounds are the issue causing erratic readings.
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    I'm having some trouble following you here. Posts #7 and #9 both read that you were able to make each gauge and sender work when reversing the sender leads. Is that not the case? Have you measured ohms on both sender wires while disconnected from the gauges??
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    you and me :)

    I'll try and make it simple.

    Both S and P gauges stopped working at the same time.

    2 gauges, 2 sender wires from 2 different senders (one sender on port saddle tank which I can see and get to easily, one on a centerline day tank that I cannot get to, see or even know where it is). 2

    Each have separate 12v feed Each have separate ground but the ground is chained to a corresponding volt gauge (which are working fine).

    When sender wires pulled off one gauge goes to full, one goes to empty.

    When I ground the sender post the full gauge went empty, the empty one went full.

    When I swap sender leads to the opposite gauge they read fine.

    The gauges are original and I did not mess with the wires.

    That's why I believe I am having a ground reference issue.

    Hope that is a little clearer. I had myself confused today.
  17. rtrafford

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    Get a meter on the sender wires and measure the ohms.
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    If they read fine in one arrangement it suggests the wires are ok. Need meter to show the issue.
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    [QUOTE="92Searay-37', post: 365580, member: 35015
    When sender wires pulled off one gauge goes to full, one goes to empty.

    When I ground the sender post the full gauge went empty, the empty one went full.

    [/QUOTE]
    Sounds like the gauges are different brands.
  20. rtrafford

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    Sounds like the gauges are different brands.[/QUOTE]

    By the looks of the photo they are different brands. He needs to check ohms with a voltmeter to sort out condition of the senders and wires.