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Northern Lights 12kW Generator shutting down

Discussion in 'Generators' started by SplashFl, Aug 1, 2025 at 2:31 PM.

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  1. SplashFl

    SplashFl Senior Member

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    12kw generator shutting down, after loss of the coolant. Finger turns black when inserted after cap removed and tank appears empty. Noticed the small hose from the top of the valve cover had hot fluid running out of the hose and after about 10 min. before shut down, had filled a quart jug about 1/2. Liquid appears to be blackish colored water that was steaming as it entered the jug 175 F so I suspect the coolant. Oil on dip stick remains on the full line. Thoughts ???
  2. Capt Ralph

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    Let it cool down. Fill with water. Pressure test if you can. Check impeller.

    I have witnessed strange cooling problems with the Later NL heat exchangers. Usually after somebody worked on them.
    If not positioned correctly in the exhaust manifold, coolant and sea water combine and will eventually overheat.
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    The gen had been running fine until it just shut down, initially having me think a failed water temp sensor till discovering the lack of water. No one had touched it. Although I suspect the previous owner once replaced the electric end, it's 1996 vintage and ready to have a pro investigate soon as current mechanic finished with the Hynautic. It just never ends. :(
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    Update! DEFINITELY has water in the oil for some reason.
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    Uh Oh !!
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    Is your model 12 with the heat exchanger in the exhaust manifold or over the front of the engine?
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    Here's a photo. Current plan is to pay a visit to the local Phaser distributer after the weekend and learn if it has a Kubota engine. With only 3800 hrs. showing extremely disappointed in this Lugger.
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  8. Capt Ralph

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    Ah, another Shibaura block. Between the models I was thinking of.
    That is usually a good block.
    If you replace it; May we deal over this old one? :D I'll wash your car..:)
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    LOL Car is black so even in garage always needs wash.
    Found the coolant pressure cap was 16 lbs. but specs call for 7 lbs. like the spare I have. Wondering if the excess pressure messed it up and pushed the water into the oil.
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    There is not much to those head gaskets.
    You can re-torque the head and pressure test the system to around 10PSI. If the gasket is not scored, put some water in there and run it a bit.
    Still runs good, drain, re-charge the coolant and go fishing.

    Water can also get pushed by the piston rings into the sump.
    Until you get it running again, you need to keep turning that engine over daily before rust forms on the liners and valve seats .
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    Hope the mechanic working on the Hynautic can deal with it after the weekend. Certainly sounds like a repair is a LOT easier then replacing it but new is attractive, especially not having a back up nor room in there for one. Previous Bert had an 8kw under aft deck where they typically turn into piles of rust but I had a soft sided sound shield made that kept it rust free, and that one had GREAT access on all sides and was easy to lift out with the small wave runner davit on dock. This one would have to be taken apart as would the replacement and muscled out & in by a mini king Kong.
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    I hate hearing this given I have two NL gens with the Luggers. Hopefully it was a fluke as you hear more stories of them running amazingly long hours vs the early failure you experienced.

    Can’t you set up some slide boards to get the engine out and a new one in? They will slide pretty easily if you use a piece of UMHW or Starboard type material between the mounts and wood. Usually a basic come along moves them pretty easily. And getting creative with small bottle jacks or even better, a porta-power with jack heads can usually get the job done.
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    Problem with trying to slid is it's located in the forward area of a bulkhead that's about 2 ft. tall (see photo below) and needs to go aft, up the cockpit access hatch. Looks like repair is the name of the game. Suspect blown head gasket mostly due to the 16 lb. coolant pressure cap. This AM installed new oil & filter & ran about 5 min. with the coolant cap off. Sounds normal. Seeking a shop manual or diagrams showing cooling.
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  14. Capt Ralph

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    Run it a lil more under a load and send an oil sample out to a lab.

    If you don't have a coolant recovery bottle, use a 2l coke bottle full of water and put your coolant vent hose in it. Under load, watch for bubbles.
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    If it’s just a head gasket then repair is a no-brainer IMHO. Even with a higher rated pressure cap, you have to ask where is the pressure coming from? Certainly could be head gasket. If you repair, I would take the head to a good shop and have it thoroughly checked out for any cracks or issues.
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    With or without the new 7 lb. coolant cap on ??
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    With.
    You need pressures to build up to normal.
    Your looking for exhaust gasses leaking past the fire ring in the head gasket.

    When was the last time you checked coolant level cold in that gen-set before this issue?
    History of ever low?
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    Also; You may consider testing your over-temp shut down senders and relays.
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    Bad me, used to always check oil & coolant (always full) but last few short times out did not until the last time when it shut down before we even left the dock so the temp shut down earned its Capt. hat. ;) New oil turned milky again after the only 5 min. no load run with cap off so don't feel comfortable running it anymore till issue found & fixed.
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    Frak
    Look for a OEM sticker on the engine.
    Under the alternator in the casting, over the oil pan seam, is a number if you can not find labels.
    With some data, we can shop for a new head if needed.

    It was cheaper for me to buy a new , complete head, with whole engine gasket set for my Kubota than to send my original head to the shop for cleaning and inspection, before parts.
    Just for two dirty and stuck valves.

    I'm together and running stronger than ever.