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  1. SplashFl

    SplashFl Senior Member

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    Some type of fuel pump ? Seems one of the two lines goes to a fuel tank and the other just a 2 ft. line with a weird (see 2nd photo) to me fitting on the end. Also has a manual switch mounted below it and when turned on makes a clicking sound. Seems like a lot if only to top off Racor fuel filters when changing ?

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  2. Capt J

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    It's a priming pump, generally used to prime the entire engine if you lost prime, whether from changing fuel filters or an air leak or etc.
  3. Capt Ralph

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    Some old Walbro pump. Somewhere you may have the hose that plugs into that outlet. This offers fuel to filters, pails or jugs for other boats.
    I'm glad to see that red storage plug. It helps lots.
    As on my Bertram, It may have a filter before the pump. If it's a strange looking filter, it is, I have the part numbers.
  4. SplashFl

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    Both Man's have small fuel priming pumps on top of them, I needed after changing the secondary's awhile back so must be for the Racor's and can ditch the small 2 gal. fuel can. And, yes Ralph, there is a short length of fuel line I had been wondering about for some time but have not seen any filter. By time I learn all the "stuff," will be ready for a larger toy.
  5. Capt J

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    The fitting is a typical quick disconnect. The pump might also have been for oil, but usually they're used for fuel. Could have been to empty a bladder also.
  6. Capt Ralph

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    Both MANs? Were these the factory original engines?
  7. SplashFl

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    Yes. When shopping couple yrs. back all but this & one I found in Spain had lower hp. DD's which I was ok with since having a pair in previous 38, but shipping was $50,000. plus there had been Covid & who knows what taxes & all the months that would have been involved waiting for a ship, and this original owner one was only 20 miles south, owner had just retired, entered early 80's and anxious to downsize. Based on specs the extra hp. puts cruise & top same as those without towers. Only grip is never enough ER space where they also put the gen so been thinking of a 54 but I'd probably only add more "stuff." :confused:
  8. SplashFl

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    Probably for the Racor's since it's mounted next to one of them and already has oil change pump. Suspect it was used very little so will now just clean it up a bit.
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  9. rtrafford

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    Id guess that it's been used for the Racors as well as to fill the secondaries, hence the quick disconnect for different applications. Fire it up and confirm the function. Useful device...
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    Do you mean the manual pump in between the cylinder banks, near the high pressure fuel pump, whose cap must be unscrewed and then works as a priming pump, by pushing it back and forth?
    If not, and you've got something electric instead, I'd be VERY interested to hear more, and possibly see a pic.
    But if yes, did you ever trying using that manual gizmo (which AFAIK is the only priming pump fitted as standard on MANs)?
    I only had to do it once, after starving both engines due to a wrong fuel valves setting (don't ask...!), but after they ran long enough to be fully warmed up, hence inside an engine room well above 100 degrees. o_O
    No prize for guessing that I've been EXTREMELY careful to not make the same mistake again, after that experience!
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    I learned very early with Cat C15’s to never use that mechanical pump as after every use it ALWAYS leaked air. A remote electric pump upstream was the reliable outcome.
  12. SplashFl

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    Yes that's the one. Only ever used them once after changing the filters and would not start. Seemed like both motors pumps were leaking but after pumping they fired up and ran fine.
  13. Capt J

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    If you use them at least annually they don't usually start leaking air. BUT they do have a tendency to leak air on a lot of motors, they're cheap to replace but can leave you airlocked and cursing them.......
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    Yes, it does its job, eventually. The reasons why I hate the thing are that...
    1) it takes a helluva lot of pumping to get rid of the air in the circuit - at least in the one and only occasion I had to used it, though I guess fuel starvation while the engine is running must be the worst case for air bubbles creation;
    2) it's awfully positioned, particularly for using it with a warm engine.
    OTOH, I guess neither points were too relevant for you, assuming you replaced the filters with cold engine...
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    My experience was that once I first cracked the handle open and pumped, I was doomed. Happened a few times, and then I replaced them yet again and never used them. Problem solved. I installed an electric priming pump and incorporated a ball valve bypass ahead of the check valve at the head of the return line. That enabled me to pump fuel into the secondaries and beyond, let the flow run for a few minutes, and then close the bypass valve to set a nominal pressure in the line prior to shutting down the pump. Always fired with that arrangement, and I never again messed with the manuals. It was several sets of pumps, not just one. Maybe I was buying out of a bad batch from the local dealer...but it was frustrating to beat the band.
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    Personally I would never own a boat without electric priming pumps again.

    Whether it s a brain fart causing you to run a tank dry, a filter change or another issue, they will save the day and for just $250 per engine. No brainer.

    the manual priming pumps are pretty useless except maybe to push the last bit of air out of the lines but not for a filter change.
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    I have a pretty big Oberdorfer priming pump for each MAN engine. It's very convenient during filter changes. I haven't used the manual pump yet. I'll see if I have any pics or will take some next time I'm at the boat.
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    Thanks in advance for that. I for one will be very interested to check them out!
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    I actually extended my manifold that serves the four engines and added two pumps to it. One pump can serve as a priming pump to push fuel to the filters, etc. The second is a larger pump with a dedicated Racor and can be used to polish fuel or also transfer fuel. We tend to run on a shared main tank and transfer reserves to the main. This keeps the fuel fresh throughout the boat while also allowing us to clearly monitor remaining range in a manual type manner to back up the gauges via the ships log.

    Really try to keep things simple here. We want to avoid changing valves on long runs. Tired minds make silly mistakes.
  20. rtrafford

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    Yes, my large pump for polish and transfer is an Oberdorfer with a bronze vein pump. I have tried to keep all pumps aboard with a shared model of motor and capacitor.