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56M Perini S/Y Bayesian Sinks During Palermo Storm

Discussion in 'General Yachting Discussion' started by kevin8tor, Aug 19, 2024.

  1. MountainGuy

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    The prosecutor conducts a (criminal) investigation, in any case of personal injury or death. These findings go to court for trial. These are 2 independent steps with 2 independent entities. Family members and others may join the trial and contribute their own legal opinions. This is the case in any kind of accident Europe.

    The investigations (only) collect the facts of the case (what happened), whereas the trial then match them to the elements of a crime (if what happened is criminally relevant). A subtle but immensely important difference, which is only too often neglected, as we jump from media coverage to conclusions.

    In Germany there is a special agency in the ministry of transportation, the "Bundesstelle für Seeunfalluntersuchung (BSU)", which is required to investigate and publish a written, public, report within 12 month. The sole objective of BSU accident investigations is to determine the circumstances and causes as well as the contributing factors of the accident with a view to preserve life and avoid accidents in the future, not to apportion blame, or settle liability or claims.
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  2. Liam

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    Niii which means a yes or a no.

    The stability issue becomes as much a problem for Bayesian as it is for the Class.

    Because at the end of the day this is a classed yacht, certified by ABS.
    That stability booklet is certified by ABS (American Bureau of Shipping) to a yacht ✠A1, Yachting Service, AMS, ACCU classification society rules, and is MCA Compliant for charter.
    If the class would have not been happy with the booklet Perini Navi as probably any other yacht builder would have complied.
    You cannot sell a 50 meter yacht if not build up to class, or it very hard.

    As for the captain probably his only fault is that he probably under estimated the Med Thunder Storms when seas are around 30 degrees.

    You can try as much blame the builder as much how you want, but really the Class is much as fault as much as them.
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  3. Capt Ralph

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    I have been thinking of this. Thank you for your encouragement for me to ponder more deeply.
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    I know I heard a report, "wake me at 20 knots", and the time line seemed to require a few extra minutes beyond 20 knots, to 30 knots, prior to awakening. That aside, no discussion of weather equipment monitoring? If the vessel is underway, and the captain sees the weather that the mate was filming for social media, he'd be on the gear looking into the details of what was headed in his direction.

    The stability booklet is certainly troubling. Was it not updated to speak to the terms of the new, taller mast? That mast is a hell of a sail...and it seems to me that I have a standing order to lower the keel if the wind reached 20...

    It's a bad accident. I don't see anything that screams manslaughter, to me. But I do see room for improvement. I think...
  5. Capt Ralph

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    To start, the mfg should have kept his flipping mouth shut.
    If anything, Liam still has a great point.
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  6. Steve in SoCal

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    Was the boat even in deep enough water to drop a 10 meter board? Remember she dragged quite a ways from where she was anchored. That a sail boat couldn't recover from a knock down with out sinking is another thing.
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    Stability is approved by flag state.
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    "Bayesian" seems like she will be raised this weekend.
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    The hull is now said to be upright on the sea bed in preparation for the big lift this weekend (weather permitting).
  10. Capt Ralph

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    I have to wonder, with many hours of diving on this wreck and now in an up-rite position, nobody can tell if the big hatch on the hull side was secure?
    Why does she need to come up before the investigation can continue?
  11. kevin8tor

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    I suspect it's because the divers who've been down there are not accident investigators, they are salvage divers. Of course, they've probably seen enough to draw their own conclusions, and I would assume they've been shared with investigators (but not the public). However, you also have to consider that they lost a diver early on in the recovery process, and made a deliberate change in operations. They have utilized remote underwater vehicles to reduce or eliminate the use of divers as much as possible in the implementation of the recovery.
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    I read what your typing, but it only took a couple of recovery dives to note the condition of the boat and status of the hull doors & port lights before the sad accident.
    During the recoverys, hatches, doors and other pieces may have been moved or repositioned and with the hulk back on the surface MAY not be in the trim during the knock down.
  13. Pascal

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    I m pretty sure they be already established the big shell door was closed and that the flooding was caused by inadequate stability thru the vents
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  14. mapism

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    I would also put my money on that if I should bet, but how can you be so sure, Pascal?

    I mean, surely the investigators already know more - possibly MUCH more - than what has been disclosed so far, also because I would expect the salvage divers to have photographed/filmed extensively the wreck, before touching anything.
    But aside from all the speculations internet is flooded with, I've yet to see any official report on their findings.
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    A few months ago there was some underwater video of the garage and engineer quarter which showed a closed external door.
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    So why has not the investigations concluded. As I tried to type earlier, they have all the answers already, floating the hull can't offer any more evidence.
    Are they going to clean all up, re-mount the mast/rigging and duplicate the knockdown?
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    IDK is the short answer.
    I guess they aren't considering the matter urgent because, as opposed to planes falling from the sky, the risk to kill hundreds of people in another identical boat doesn't exist, since there's none.
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    "Bayesian" is now at the surface being raised from the bottom.
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    Full attempted lift due tomorrow weather permitting.