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  1. Knight

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    FYI, I paid for the survey, it showed high moisture in hull and topside. Water damage around helm. Also severe vibration in drive train. That's only the short of it.
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    Your talking about the '06 near Murrells Inlet?
  3. Knight

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    Yes sir all of which was withheld from me before survey.
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    Never go to survey without a sea trial first to make sure the boat is worth surveying. The vibration would have been the first red flag
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    I ask, told me sea trail and survey had to be same day. I waited 3 hours for them to show up after a setup time for me to do so. Believe or not they didn't show until both the cat guy and boat surveyors were there waiting.
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    Yes, the full sea trial with surveyors is done on survey day but it's always a good idea to do a shorter sea trial befor to make sure the boat is worth surveying. Needs to be out in the contract when making offer.

    This way, if t h boat has an obvious issue... running hot, vibration, poor performance, etc.. you can back out before spending thousands on a survey
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    Did the listing broker have the info all along?
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    I agree, that was the plan that morning but they were late. Obviously on purpose to keep from doing initial seatrial before surveyors got there.

    I feel they knew but they said they didn't. Cat guy said they overheated twice on the way to marina. They also lied about that too.
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    Yea I agree, if possible do sea trial and then land survey.
    The history and full disclosure by owner and broker is a must.

    For me, as a buyer, if I detect any intentional deception its a full show stopper.
    On to the next boat, remember its a buyers market.

    For some reason the last two boats I purchased I did backwards.
    Both of the last two boats I purchased were already on land, so for me it made sense to do the land survey first.
    I did my own extensive unofficial land survey before hiring someone to do an official survey.
    So I had a pretty good idea what I was getting into.
    By the time the last boat hit the water I was already into it for a nice hit if I had to walk away from it.

    I did put in the contract that any Owner or Broker knowing and intentional failure to disclose any and all known conditions or history will result in full refund of deposit and any and all survey costs. Intentional failure to disclose will result in crew, decommissioning, commissioning, hauling and blocking costs to be paid in full by the Seller and Broker.

    Also, I request in writing any and all insurance claims, repair work, and maintenance records.

    Regarding vibration, its not always a show stopper.
    You have to do some investigation.
    Years ago, I had a boat that all of a sudden started vibrating bad under load.
    couldn't figure it out, never ran aground, bottom clean.
    One engine was shaking excessively on its mounts. Thought maybe spun a bearing or bad cylinder?

    After a while jumped in water and found a mass of crab pot line wrapped around one of the wheels.
    A serrated Dexter and a mask was all it took to fix that problem.
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    Lesson for us all!
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    Some excellent advice here. Sadly a lot of brokers are as sleazy as the proverbial used car salesman. Any seller that refuses a pre survey sea trial is either hiding something or incompetent. Same goes with the broker.
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    Not really. At least 1/2 of my owners won't agree to that.......Add up the price of a Captain, a washdown, fuel etc......it's easily a $1000 expense for an owner on a 65' yacht. How many owners are going to offer that then have multiple people ask for it?
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    I her what your saying. I'm currently getting ready to make an offer on a 65' Hatteras C. I will put in the contract that a pre-survey sea trial is required. In 64 years of boating I've always done this and have never been challenged by a seller. Just how I do business. Doesn't mean I'm right or wrong, just how I do it.
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    If I offer free boat rides to anyone who claims they are thinking about buying my boat, guess what I'll be doing 24/7 until an actual buyer comes along? And who would buy it if they could get unlimited boat rides for free? I love taking people out with me on boat rides, but not this.
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    I will tell you over the past year I've spent countless hours driving and looking, spending money on meals, fuel and lodging only to find there is a lot of shady brokers out there. Ive spent over 5k on surveys on two boats for no reason because the broker hide the issues and owner was not willing to negotiate based of repairs needed. There still on the market btw.

    I have a really hard time trusting brokers now because of what's been done to me and how I've been treated. They could care less what you spend or how far you drive or what the boat is actually worth or what the problems are with it. It's way worse than buying a car or a house.

    Boger knew dam well what the problems were with the boat and I have proof. This is just the beginning of my retaliation. If these brokers want to play games with people's lives, hopes and money, I will teach them a valuable lesson in honesty and how to do business morally and expose them for who they are.
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    Knight, pm me if you wish. I dealt with this same outfit years ago.
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    It's not a free boat ride since a contract has already been signed and a deposit is held by the broker.

    It's not a $1000 expense either, even if the seller has to use a captain. An half hour of fuel is $100 on a 70/80 footer

    Either a seller wants to sell or not. As a buyer I m not going to gamble $2000 to $4000 unless I know th boat is worth surveying
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    In all fairness to brokers in general, unless a boat has been sea trialed or surveyed and rejected a broker may not know of mechanical problems an owner isn't disclosing
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    I don't agree with free rides. To many tire kickers for that. I fully understand brokers reasoning for that. I paid 350.00 for seatrial and was satisfied with that. But I do feel a preseatrail before surveys is nessasary to avoid costly surveys. If broker not willing to do that for a small fee, there hiding something.
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    If the boat doesn't have a full time Captain it is. Most yachts it's an hour out and an hour in to where you can run it. A Captain (hourly), 100 gallons of fuel, a washdown either before or after......and might as well call the diver too if it's in between bottom cleanings. A lot of tire kickers would ask for this. Someone can have a signed contract, but really a buyer can backout for just about any reason. If the buyer offers to pay for it, then it's a different story.

    I once did one of these years ago on a 44' searay and the "buyer" from Europe showed up with his 16 year old daughter and 3 of her friends all in bikini's. Had us out in the ocean, wanted to go this way, that way, drive it, etc......it turned into a few hours out there running around, and of course he never bought it.
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