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General Patton's Sailboat

Discussion in 'General Sailing Discussion' started by brian eiland, Aug 14, 2017.

  1. brian eiland

    brian eiland Senior Member

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    This past weekend in Lunenburg NS, there appear a few 'tall ships',...not the real big ones, but a nice little selection. Along with them there were a few other historic vessels, and a very modern Bermudian 'sloop'.

    This beautiful schooner caught me eye. it was an Alden design built for then Col George Patton
    https://sailwhenandif.com/an-historic-vessel/
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    Very neat to learn this. What a stunning vessel.
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    Another thing I found interesting on this vessel was the method utilized to attach the shrouds and intermediates to the mast column. Instead of poking holes in the mast tube, they warped the rigging around the mast column and kept that rigging from sliding down the tube by attaching 'cheek blocks' to the mast.
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    It harkens back to older days when a lot of square-riggers had their multiple rope/wire shrouds wrapped around their mast columns at their upper locations.

    I've made the same suggestion for attaching rigging to modern mast, particularly carbon tubes where I hate to see holes poked in and those odd-ball kinked swaged fittings used.

    A few postings I've made on this subject
    https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/aftmast-rigs.623/page-66
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    brian eiland Senior Member

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    I realize there are not that many sailors on this forum,..but I would really like to know if anyone out there has seen anything like this sort of 'wrap-around' rigging like I referred to above??
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    I would have called that a ketch. What is the difference between a ketch and a schooner? Beautiful boat.
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    No but keep posting Brian, this is appreciated. I am following Leo on the project called Tally Ho. Let's see what they decide on the shroud to mast option. They are building all new blocks so who knows what may be in store?
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    Ketch has one main mast and one mizzen mast, the mizzen is aft and smaller.
    Schooner has at least two main masts as far as I know, I would be happy to learn more details.
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  8. Boatbuilder

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    Very traditional rigging method here, and you can get lots more insight from Brian Toss’s book “The Riggers Apprentice”.
    It is a method that relies on a lot of hand work, and harks back to a time when access to store bought fittings did not exist in many parts of the waterfront, we may be headed to seeing times like that again.
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    Yes, it's commonly found on gaff-rigged masts. Each shroud has an eye spliced or seized at the upper end and is looped over the mast as far as the spreaders or hounds, then brought down to the deck. There's even a particular order in which they should be installed ;)
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    Main mast is smaller than what would be the mizzen for a schooner...in a ketch, the main mast is the taller mast...
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    I'd have to do some research, but I'm pretty sure "ketch" and "yawl" are only used for boats with 2 masts. 2-masted schooners are the most common, but there are 3 and 4 masted - maybe more - schooners.

    So, ketches and yawls have 2 masts, the aft one is called the mizzen and is smaller than the main (forward) mast. If the mizzen mast is forward of the rudder post, it's a ketch, and if the mizzen is aft of the rudder post, it's a yawl.

    If the forward mast is the same size or smaller than the aft mast(s), it's a schooner.
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    Ya know, my only question;
    Where is the gun?
    I can't believe George would push anything that did not have a BFG.
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    I believe his sign said, “ Forget the dog, beware the Owner”
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    In the movie, I think the dawg turned out to be a wuss.