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Inverter Batteries R.I.P.

Discussion in 'Carver Yacht' started by babyc34, May 30, 2014.

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  1. babyc34

    babyc34 Member

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    I went out to Angel Island (which is right next to Alcatraz), moored in the cove and settled in for the Memorial day weekend. 5pm rolls around so I fired up the inverter for AC to get ready to cook dinner. No juice left in $2000 worth of fairly new house batteries! It's a 3000wat inverter/charger with four 6 volt Lifeline deep cycle batteries which, are always fully charged while on shore power. I have no idea how they got drained and they are not coming back!

    I have two questions:
    1) Is there some way to get them to take a charge?
    2) WTF happened?
    I am always on shore power when at dock and the inverter/charger keeps the batteries topped off at all times. I am totally baffled and bummed at the $2000mistake that I somehow made.

    Needless to say I'm feeling pretty stupid. I assume that I did something wrong but I don't know what I did.

    Any Thoughts? (besides what an idiot I am)
  2. SeaDragon

    SeaDragon New Member

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    Step 1.. Are the batteries really dead. Put a volt meter on each one. A fully charged 6v battery will read ~ 6.3 vdc with no load connected. The test results will point to the next step.
  3. babyc34

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    Yes they are really dead at 0.3 volts per the direct reading which, was the same reading at the digital controller.

    It won't go into bulk charge if the volts are below 9 or there about according to tech support. If there was some way to trick the charger to go into bulk charge they might come back?
  4. Marmot

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    Not the safest way to do it (and it might not work) but taking a jumper cable and shorting the pos and neg at the charger for a millisecond may do the trick.

    This is a terrible idea, it could cause your boat to explode or implode and disassociate every molecule in your body as well as cause chromosomal damage many generations in the future. It may have unforeseen impacts on your boat's stability. I do not recommend it even though I have done it with some success in the far distant past before lawyers and analysts walked the docks.
  5. Capt Ralph

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    There are fuses and breakers to consider. Depending on your inverter model and how the batteries were installed It could be that simple.
    If you're not comfortable diving into these things, it's time to bring in a tech.
    I do know a good shop up north of the bay if you can not find anybody to help.

    PM me if you need a good name & number.

    ,rc
  6. babyc34

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    It's a Magnum MS2812 Inverter/Charger. I did have a tech come out and try to get it going. He even got on tech support. Tech support said that it won't go into bulk charge if the batteries are drained below a point. I have a feeling that there may be a way that Tech Support is not going to suggest due to liability reasons. Or maybe they are truly dead and I need to bite the bullet and replace them. Connecting the negative to the positive (as was suggested) sounds like a great thing to do on the 4th of July but not today. If I was 20 years younger I would have been all over that.

    I appreciate the help and will look into the unusual jump start method a bit more.

    Thanks!
  7. Capt Ralph

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    Then jump them from another battery bank to get them up. Even if it a faux level, the inverter charger should see something and start putting out a charge current.
  8. Capt J

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    If you jump them from another battery for 30 seconds the inverter will kick on and charge. You can also hook up a portable 12 volt battery charger and as soon as the inverter see's juice it will start charging. I prefer to always have a seperate, built in battery charger for inverter banks, if only for this reason alone......I know you can get 24 volt inverter/chargers going with a portable 12 volt charger hooked up.....however most 24 volt inverters will shut down if the batteries are below 21 volts
  9. Marmot

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    You don't "connect" them, you quickly brush them together. If there was enough power available to do any damage you wouldn't be having the problems described.
  10. CaptPKilbride

    CaptPKilbride Senior Member

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    another idea

    Are your engine start batteries completely isolated from the house batteries? Or is there a way to use the engine start banks to get the house banks up enough to get the inverter charger to kick in?
    And you could always use jumper cables in this manner as well.
  11. timjet

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    I can't diagnose your problem but I can suggest a way of preventing it from happening again. Install a battery monitor. It will tell you your current draw and allow you to prevent destroying your batteries. At 160 bucks cheap insurance.
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    Caltexflanc Senior Member

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    Magnum makes a great battery monitor that integrates right into the remote and inverter. Requires re-doing the negative cable to accommodate a shunt, but a very slick and helpful system
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    Battery monitor, wouldn't leave home without one. We have a Magnum, ties right in with the existing control panel. Just have to install the shunt and a small module that connects to the shunt and then run a cable to the control panel.

    Bob
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    a proper inverter should have low voltage protection, mine does and prevents battery drain to a bad level.
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    Have you checked the water levels in all the cells? I'm guessing the batts boiled dry and are now just lead weights.
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    The Magnum does. Very sophisticated. But the OP indicates he didn't have it on, which mystifies me a bit.
  17. babyc34

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    The tech did jump them from another battery but the system only goes into absorb charge which just keeps them topped off. It needs to go into bulk charge but won't. I have the monitor and it said they were fully charged until I tried to use them then the system crashed and I couldn't get shore power or generator power. Shore #1 was completely gone. The reason is because everything goes through the inverter. The batteries were so low that the inverter/charger assumed there were no batteries there and wouldn't let any power through. Once the tech jumped them from another battery he was able to get shore power back but the batteries are gone. I'm baffled, bummbed, mystified, pissed, irritated and just down right concerned. After I spend the $2000 to replace them what's to keep it from happening again?

    The system is networked and is supposed to turn the generator on when the voltage drops below 11 volts. When the batteries are fully charged the system is supposed to turn the generator off and the inverter back on. When I leave I turn the DC panel off and the AC panel on so the batteries will trickle charge while I'm gone.

    I think I got to fancy with the system. The more complicated the more to go wrong.
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    There is something to be said about adhearing to the KISS principle. That being said, a tech should get it right.

    My setup is pretty simple. A 1200 watt inverter hot wired to the house bank with a 125 amp fuse and a long extension cord.
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    Magnum inverter/charger

    Interesting problem. A friend of mine up here in Georgianbay had a similar problem last year. His system is also set up so everything has to go through the magnum inverter/ charger. And yes his house bank went dead while plugged into shore power. He now has a second stand alone charging system that he can use when needed. He thinks the problem is in the inverter combo system, however it appears to be intermittent which is a problem in itself.
    I have a stand alone inverter system on our CC separate from the ac panel.
    Simple and works just fine.
  20. g36

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    its up to you to spend your money on expense batteries but i have been using trojan 6 v golf cart batteries for over 15 years (T105's) a set of 6 for my house bank and have the currrent set in my boat going on 6 years now. i see no need to change. at internet pricing of $120-$150 each, way cheaper than $2000. probably could even beat these prices, they are cheaper locally for me than this.
    i have a victron battery monitor and have a 3000 watt inverter but seperate charger.
    BMV-600S series - Victron Energy