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Discussion in 'Yacht Renderings & Plans' started by AMG, Apr 7, 2005.

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  1. tantetruus

    tantetruus New Member

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    Aprea mare is sold here too.
    Lots of small boats like polar and saga like sloops here (but mostly the dutch versions with lots of wood etc. Very fuel efficient too, 1 - 3 ltr. of diesel an hour isnt that bad?
    Maybe you could use solar panels for staysail?
  2. Ricardo Barroso

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    Predicting the market..... Hmmmmm.

    Hi

    For me the the economy, the land scape and the way of life of a country makes the market.

    I will put here a issue from Economist Rod Oram

    " So to thrive in these turbulent times your industry needs a minimum of three factors: stability of the world; wealthy clients; and social acceptance. The third is the most volatile. In a flash, society could become seriously hostile towards people who own and run big boats for personal pleasure. "

    About your idea is good and and will have its niche of market.

    Best Regards
  3. AMG

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    Let me also use a quote from Showboats International September 1998, where they are asking the designer Jon Bannenberg: Why do you think people build boats?

    "It´s not becuse they have a sound commercial view of the world! Nobody needs a yacht, but they like to be on them all the same. And they should. They are exciting. People work to accumulate wealth so they can spend it on things they like.

    Yacht building is one of the greatest redistributors of wealth. Instead of spending USD 30 million on a Picasso - one transaction and it´s done and nobody sees it but the owner - yachts redistribute all that money down the chain. Boats are not crazy, selfindulgent things. They keep a lot of people employed."
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    Ah so, now I catch your drift. Sorry I was slow on that. But .... maybe this concept would be easier to sell in a large boat than one as small as in this sketch?

    novice Kelly
  5. AMG

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    Kelly,

    You are right in that selling a large yacht can sometimes be easier than a small, but as a production boat I think this 30-footer makes more sense.

    If you think of it, those four- and five-masted cruise ships that you see, are nothing more than big powerboats with tradewind sails. When I lived in Monaco I used to see them leaving port at midnight, silent with all sails illuminated, heading towards Corsica.
    Quite a sight!

    On unstayed masts, the American Garry Hoyt designed the cat ketch Freedom 40 in the mid seventies. He was a retired Advertising guy, just like me...;)

    I captured this rare beauty in the rain outside my window yesterday!

    /Lars

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  6. KCook

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    Wow, that is a sweet ketch in your photo Lars.

    One nit-pick on your 30 design, which is the tiller steering. Hard core sail guys love this (me among them), but I doubt very much that John Q powerboater will ever accept a tiller.

    Kelly
  7. AMG

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    I think 30-footers are on the limit to fit a wheel steering, although my first sailing boat of 31 feet had it. Anyway, the idea of the NEW 30 is to have a number of options to keep the basic price acceptable. Then you can add whatever you like more or less, but replacing the exterior tiller rudder with a steering wheel and rudder below will be an expensive option... :cool:
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    still, scandinavia is THE forerunner on giving boaters on a budget both a steeringwheel and a tiller on boats (saga, polar)... ;)
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    G 38

    This will probably not be a budget sailer, with a little carbon here and there to get the right speed thrills in a handy format... :cool:

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    After having seen my Gigayacht concepts, one YachtForums member asked if I could design a rowing scull...?

    As I didn´t really know what this is and assumed there must be loads of them out there, I answered just that.

    Then I asked myself what kind of row-boat I would like to have and started to draw this one based on one of my sailing yacht concepts.

    When finished I searched the net on what was available and found only those narrow racing boats with outriggers or the more traditional row-boats.

    Maybe this new design will fill the gap in between as a modern, self draining and light weight composite boat that is, or seems to be anyway, pretty stable and safe to use in archipelagos or even on more open waters.

    Maybe the next thing to carry on your yacht or car? If you are experienced in rowing, please give me your thoughts and if you like it, this little R47 could be reality! :)

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  12. AMG

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    Sorry Codger,

    This is a kind of boat I would never try. My idea is of leisure and exercise, not competition or speed records. I think it will be fast enough for anyone not used to these racing machines, why outriggers and sliding seats or footrests are just optional.

    Maybe there could be a One-Design class for those who must proof their abilities...;)
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    one suggestion that would make rowing far more interesting would be a mechanism that would reverse the rowing motion so youd be able to face the direction in which youre going..
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    That kind of invention exists, I have seen one with stainless steel arms that reverses the movement, but I think the weight is the same as this entire boat. And even if the idea always comes to mind when you are rowing, it looks very strange in reality. A guess is that when your body leans back, the boat accelerates in the opposite direction which makes it harder to get back up again...? :confused:
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    Exactly right. The acceleration was great but leaning forward for the next stroke nullified the momentum. I tried one about 10 years ago and my stomach muscles still have a less than pleasant memory of the event. :D
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    Slow progress of a fast yacht...

    Browsing through some old files I found this yacht tonight. She was made for a Mexican client back in 1995, but as often they end up with a pre-owned yacht and this one remained as one of many forgotten designs...

    Anyway, she was planned as a 32 m high speed waterjet aluminium yacht. Could have been built today as well, or tomorrow..? :)

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    a very pretty arrow

    one of the boats most beautiful, that I ever seen ...
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    Thanks Ricardo!

    After the rowing, a quick rendering of a big explorer style yacht, 460 feet/140 meters.

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  19. KCook

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    Gonna need longer oars Lars :D
  20. Ladies choice

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    WOW!

    I just love every one of the designs I have seen so far Lars, both in I and II portfolio's

    As you know I am doing my due diligence research and I must say so far I am stoked at the possiblities. And if I am unable to find what I want off the shelf (so far proving more difficult then I imagined!) I will be making a trip to Sweden to meet with you most definately.

    I want 165-175ft, which is most likely the price range I am looking at, To be able to have a helicopter landing area but not full time storage, a full time submarine that I have mentioned before which is the size of a small car and NOT cigar shaped, suggested I should incorporate a decompression chamber/deep diving gear area which is still up for research as submarines have the lowest level of incidents/fatalities of any transportation, though then again, recently it may have changed those numbers!

    I love the yachts with the master cabin having a sweeping forward (from bed) view onto a private sun deck either fore or aft of the master cabin, even your eye in the sky helm or sundeck helm though probably not realisitic in a yacht this size.

    A garage for a custom matching tender to double as a fishing boat at times, jet skis and a custom matching day sailer in the lines of your sailboats say a 17-25 footer, easy drop mast for storage on deck or garaged, tiller steering, fast yet stable ability, easy to handle 1-3 person asymetrical chute on a pole-less system with a retractable bow sprit.

    All done in dark burgandy hull perhaps. I have seen dark burgandy on a Lola race car with gold pinstriping that would be a beautiful hull color & boot stripe combination, A Parchment or very light Buff upper decks, much lighter then Ellix Too though, but not white. More like the leather interiors of a Rolls or Aston or Jag perhaps. Perhaps Brass Insignia and if not too high maintenance what a brass rail would look like and brass port surrounds? Hmmmm have to see it first to see how much golden accents to limit without getting into the gaudy range.

    I can also imagine a Ice Blue, silvery Blue , sleek, I haven't personally seen anything of the color I imagine but I am sure it can be made to my mind's eye. Of course using Stainless Railings and a white upper structure as a Iceberg moves up in color from the icy blue frozen ocean to the glaring white snow up top. Then silvery blue tint to the windows thru out.

    Best guess of how much? and how long would it take a yard to complete? from sitting down to the first meet/greet to the delivery of such a dream, keeping in mind the design isn't for charter at this time but a personal summer home for 2. A crew of hopefully no more then 8, 2-3 security persons, and no more then 6 guests at a time. Elevator, dumbwaiters, "safe room" for security intrusion protection, a high caliber gun mount up on foredeck for the worst case event(Discreetly camoflauged of course) World travel range including a mid level Ice class, and a contemporary interior reminescent of Sweet doll.

    Hull Material, superstructure and mechanicals and shipyard for construction is completely left up to you to choose of course.
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