Hampton Endurance

We looked at one of the first few hulls in the 650 line. It was a couple years ago and I may still have pictures around that I can share.

It was a warm water boat, so it didn't have the cold weather offerings they advertise. (heaters, pseudo-fireplace, etc.). Very nice boat at the surface. Functional layout, clean and sharp fit and finish, functional designs, electronics, etc. We didn't dig too deep so I can't speak in great detail, but from first glance, spending a couple hours on the boat, it was nice.

I went on one at the show a 68' the build quality was on the sloppy side IMO, the engine room was cramped and certain things like the generator were very hard to access. A lot of steps in the boat and each room felt cramped......narrow walkways inside.

While I have never been on board one, the Hamp Edurance 650 seems from reviews and system redundancy to be a really nice boat. The review I read stated that the "hidden places" such as behind bulkheads, lower hull storage etc. were finished out beyond normal standards.
The review also stated that it gets 1nm per gallon at 10 knots which is good for extended cruising.
The H E 650 is on my very short list of potential future boats due to its inclusion of back up and quality systems. Plus, there is not a list of options since it has most everything already included.

Party on,
Pelagic Dreams

I just saw the 2015 68-6 Hampton Endeavor - hull #21 Pilothouse at FLIBS Nov2014 show and this boat's layout, finish, & systems looked very good.
It looks top heavy but is 120,000 lbs!
Has anyone been to sea trials?

It's like most other Taiwanese boats. Built way too heavy for it's size. So it never truly gets on plane, uses a ton of fuel, to cruise at maximum plow speed and wallow around in a sea. I went on a new 68' in 2009 or 2010 Fort Lauderdale show, and the fit and finish was poor. Strong enough to stay together, but not nicely assembled. It would've made the build quality on a Searay look like a Feadship.

Their web site shows the Endurance 648/658 at 95,700 and 99,000 pounds. Comparing to an L650 Fly or a Sunseeker Manhattan really isn't fair as they're very different type boats intended for different uses.

I realize this is an old thread but I feel compelled to weigh in on the quality of the Hampton Endurance. I have recently sold my two year old Fleming and bought a 2017 Hampton Endurance. Both are high quality Asian built boats. Both have dealers that stand behind their products and are there to help 24/7. Both are built in yards dedicated to their respective manufacturers. Both have solid fiberglass hulls - the Hampton's is reinforced with Kevlar. Both have keels to protect the running gear and use SeaTorque. Both handle well in big seas. Both have redundant systems so if I'm in the Bahamas and something breaks down I can just flip to the backup. Both have the quality 316 stainless steel from Japan. The Hampton has superior fit and finish - literally all the wood grains match throughout the boat.

My Hampton Endurance also has a few things that my Fleming didn't offer: a huge master head that has his and hers sides connected by a shower, a master stateroom with walk around king bed, a full size oven, the ability to access the engine room from the salon making engine checks underway much safer, a stand up engine room, a lovely cockpit area with built in seating under cover for sun protection, a day head in the cockpit (which I didn't think I needed but it's one of my favorite things), more horsepower both in the engines and in the hydraulic bow and stern thrusters which I consider a safety feature, a huge salon with ample seating and a state of the art entertainment system throughout the boat. Yes, for sure the side decks are slightly more narrow on the Hampton Endurance as compared to our Fleming but it's a tradeoff I am happy to make. We also swapped their standard Garmin electronics for Furuno.

One of the above comments mentions that all Asian boats are heavy and plow water. I don't think that's a fair generalization and it certainly hasn't been our experience with our Endurance. We have found that with her hybrid hull she actually lifts out of the water as we gain speed and easily planes. Her top speed is 22 knots. We don't have that same "pushing water" feel that we got from our Fleming. And in fairness the Fleming is more of a semi-displacement hull so I wouldn't expect the same performance. Our Fleming's top speed was 18 knots and the only time we planned was during our sea trial with a flat sea and empty tanks.

We have an Endurance 658 - which is about 68 feet LOA. It has three cabins, crew quarters and 4 heads (!). Amazing how they have made use of the interior space on this boat.

And what size Fleming did you have?

We had a Fleming 55 and were seriously looking to buy a new Fleming 58 when we came across the Hampton Endurance. And I will agree with you germanyachting there aren't many reviews on the brand! I will pull together fuel consumption and performance data and post it.

Well, of course you can't compare a 55' Fleming to a 65' Hampton. The Hampton has far more volume and space. That's an apples to oranges comparison. The Hampton is 40% more boat.

True to some extent. Our Fleming 55 was 60' 9" LOA and our Hampton Endurance is 68' LOA and I will agree that's a 7 foot difference between those two so it wouldn't be fair to compare those directly. But we were looking at ordering the Fleming 58 which is 65' 9" LOA so that's a difference of a little over 2 feet.

We also considered a used Fleming 65 (70' 10" LOA) but all the ones we looked at had the tapered island queen in the forward cabin making the master cabin pretty much the same size as the one on our Fleming 55 which we already knew didn't work for us. What sold us on the Hampton Endurance was the master cabin and its walk around king which we couldn't find in any of the Flemings we looked at and the cockpit seating area. BTW Fleming was great trying to help us design what we wanted in a new 58 but once we saw the space and quality of the finish on the Endurance we were knew it was exactly what we wanted for extended cruising.

Can't compare the 58 either. You're looking at just length and typically if length is 10% greater then the boat has at least 20% more volume. The 65' is a near comparison although still not as big in total as the Endurance.

I don't have an issue with you liking or preferring the Hampton, just unfair comparisons tell us nothing.

They are very different type boats. If I was going to circumnavigate I'd take the Fleming 65, but for ordinary use, the Hampton is a nicely designed boat.

The Fleming 65 is actually bigger than the Endurance 658 (Fleming 65 is 70" 10" vs. Endurance 658 is 68') so that seems like a fair comparison in terms of the livable space. Even in the Fleming 65 we couldn't find what we wanted in the living spaces.

Please don't get me wrong - we loved our Fleming. It's just that when we went to upgrade the livability without compromising the quality of the engineering and the quality of the systems we found the Hampton Endurance was a better fit for us. Now that we've lived with the Endurance we appreciate the safety of an interior engine room access especially during rough offshore passages when it's just the two of us on board. And the luxury of a huge master stateroom with large heads.

Length alone doesn't tell you what boat is bigger. Even there, the hull length of the Endurance is 68'10" and of the Fleming 65 is 67'4". Just for the purpose of accuracy. I do think it's fair to compare the two boats as a shopper and determine you like the Hampton better. Just you started with a comparison of the 55' Fleming to the Endurance and obviously the Hampton is much bigger. I'm glad you like your Hampton and that you posted that. Coming from a previous Fleming owner to say you like the quality of the Hampton is a great compliment because you can definitely compare quality and finish and as you said, you got the livability and don't feel you sacrificed on other ways.

If then the Hampton is a true passage making boat then it's good for the market to have another. What is the WOT speed and the fast cruise speed of the Hampton?

I manage a 62' Hampton, boat is only a few years old. The boat overall seems to be built fairly well, but has nagging things that are a big issue for me. The breakers for the bilge pumps, sump pumps, etc. on the main breaker panel do not cut power to them, instead turning them on puts them in full on mode and someone not knowing will turn them on and burn them all up. Instead the breakers are simple on/off switches and in order to cut power to them, in a totally seperate section is a ton of glass fuses that you have to find and sort through. WHY???? it's ridiculous, why you'd have fuses on EVERYTHING, when you have circuit breakers . The shorepower wiring is also really screwy. 1 shorepower cord will do the whole boat, or only half of it if you plug in the second. BUT, the second cord cannot be used to do the whole boat, only 1/3 of the panel. So burn up shorecord #1 and you're still a very unhappy camper.

Fuel system is also just as screwy. You can pull fuel off of the 2 saddle tanks, but in order to transfer from the center to saddles or vice versa, you cannot. You can only open valves and join them all together. Which means you just spread 400 gallons of fuel across 3- 350-400 gallon fuel tanks. In order to fill the center tank, you have to have the valves open between all of the tanks and then shut the valve off if you want to alienate it to keep free surface effect down or as a reserve.

Several things that should have been mounted with 4 screws have only been mounted with 2, such as all of the a/c trigger board boxes and have fallen off the walls and had to be re-mounted. There are other issues like the slides for the FB access hatch pulled through the fiberglass, etc. etc. The engine room flourescents and things of that nature use Chinese bulbs that you have to search out because the lightbulb is 1/2" shorter than a U.S. one. Also many chinese made parts that will be VERY hard to find parts for in the future, such as trim tabs and rams, hinges, keepers, latches etc.

Seakeeping, if you turn off the stabilizers is well, not very good. The stabilizers make it ride pretty decent but it's a wet boat. Performance is lack luster as well. C 18 cats in a 62' MY and it only cruises at 18 knots, bow in the air, 23 knots WOT. If I compare the boat to a 2003 63' Hatteras with C 18's, well that boat cruises at 24 knots and is just as stable without stabilizers as the Hampton is with and that's not saying a whole lot. All in all the boat is built pretty well but a Hatteras, it is not.