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Classic Burger "One too Many"

Discussion in 'Burger Yacht' started by mark patton, Feb 5, 2014.

  1. mark patton

    mark patton New Member

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    Hi folks,

    New to yacht forums so thank you in advance for your efforts in the context of my questions.

    I’m rather intrigued by a classic Burger “One too Many.” Does anyone know this yacht?

    Seems like a yacht that has had exceptional maintenance, and as more of an aviation rather than marine person I come from a background where maintenance history is key. Indeed, I think an older yacht with better maintenance is likely superior to a new yacht with average or poorer maintenance. In looking at the market it seems it has a price delta of about 75 to 100 thousand less than some newer and larger classic burgers – this combined with a cursory review of the listing details – suggests it may be a pretty good deal. At the same time – and in no way meaning to insult “One too Many”, but in considering an older, smaller, bottom of the market wrung Burger, am I bottom fishing and setting myself up for trouble irrespective of maintenance history and current condition? I guess I appreciate the fact that in a few years “One too Many” will be able to withdraw her retirement dollars without penalty!

    Also, I’m curious - a Burger production list I’ve found shows an initial length of 57 feet on this yacht. However, she’s listed at 60 feet – what’s up with that? Is it possible she has been lengthened?

    Lastly, I should note she is being offered for sale by her manufacturer. Can I correctly infer that this might be inferred as a form of implicit endorsement? My thinking here is that to the extent her manufacturer’s brokerage division obviously has a well regarded reputation they are going to be very cautious about the yachts they associate with. Moreover, to the extent this is an older – less expensive Burger- they would be particularly careful about this yacht as it could really have issues. Thus, their offering it for sale probably speaks much about the yacht's quality and upkeep - I think?
  2. olderboater

    olderboater Senior Member

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    Burger is simply brokering the yacht so any assumption of endorsement is not reasonable. Two things then. First, get a survey if you decide you're interested in purchasing. Second, assume no warranty or endorsement other than those made in writing.

    Note that Burger is not even who has done the work on updating this boat. I was done by Palmer Johnson and Skipper Bud's.

    Now exceptional maintenance is definitely good. But that doesn't guarantee condition.
  3. bliss

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    What would a proper hull only survey cost? The hauling, etc.?
    When looking at older boats; ones that border on being project boats, I always remind myself that even $00.00 can make it overpriced. The same boat looked at with different eyes can be someone else's dream boat and bring lots of happiness. No matter what; the purchase price is often just the down stroke. To end on a cheery note, those 671 naturals could be around long after we're gone.
  4. Capt J

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    Palmer Johnson does excellent work and Skipper Bud's also has a very good reputation. So I wouldn't hesitate there. A hull survey, probably around $20ft or so for the surveyor, plus another $1000 for the engine surveyor, plus haulout $8ft. Roughly.......

    Some old boats can be in pristine condition, it just depends on how they're maintained. I think Burger would be more honest about the condition of one of their boats they have listed, but it could be a total basket case. I don't think Burger would list a total POS either.
  5. NYCAP123

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    The 60' is LOA, including the swim platform. The LWL is 57. Some issues you may run into are the condition of the hull, you're dealing with a 32v DC electrical system, and that gen could be inadequite to keep that boat powered when everything is running, hence the inverter. You'll also want to check out all pumps and AC units. She's also a slow boat due to the weight.
    If she surveys well I'd go in still expecting to lay out another 100K during the first year.
    From our experience with a 30 year old 56 Hatt (also 60 LOA) I'd suggest plugging the boat into shore power and turning everything on to see what breakers pop. It took us 6 months and 3 yards to get our electrical system worked out. We generally need 100amps.
  6. RB480

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    These older Burger have a lot less power demand than the Hatts do. I sold a pretty close sister to the mentioned Burger and she ran everything on a single 50/250 cord.

    Something to watch on these older Burgers is the metal wastage at the shaft tubes. If you do get any kind of serious about this boat I know a very good surveyor fairly local with an audio gauge meter, it is a must as part of a survey.
  7. Back Again

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    Mark. Did you buy the boat?
    I'm very familiar with One Too Many.
    I owned her for a few