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Bertram sportfish "Certifiable" for sale?

Discussion in 'Bertram Yacht' started by geriksen, Feb 16, 2010.

  1. geriksen

    geriksen Senior Member

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    How about dealers with ethics?
    Guess what I saw displayed for sale at the Miami boat show?
    A really nice yellow Bertram named "Certifiable"
    You could see where the name had been removed on the transom but it was still on the chair and the pillows inside.

    How do you fix this boat where it is seaworthy enough to sell to someone?
    Pretty simple to fix the outer areas of de-lamination, re-gelcoat and fair, but how to you ever know if the inner layers are bonded to the core?

    http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/b...tastrophic-delamination-new-bertram-63-a.html

    Would you go offshore in this boat?

    I took pictures of it but they are pretty high resolution and I have trouble getting them down to size.
  2. YachtForums

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    Send 'em over and I'll attach. Carl (at) YachtForums (dot) com
  3. YachtForums

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    I've moved this thread to the Bertram forum. It was a bit of a hi-jack in the "Builder's with Ethics" thread. Also, please don't link off to other sites when info or images are present on YF. I have changed the link in your post.

    I received the images you sent. They don't really show much. Here's a couple...

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  4. Liam

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    To my knowledge has been for sale since last Summer, but they told me that it was at Allied Marine. Those pictures show a Marine Max sticker.
    Also the original owner also bought it from Allied Marine so I am even more confused with that sticker.
    According to what I know Marine Max dealership with Bertram is also nearly ended, and is only left virtually till MM sell the remaining stock.
    Someone I know also saw it being repaired at the factory in Spring, when it was nearly completed.

    Now all what I said can be wrong if it was sold and it is back in the market by a new owner, but why leave the stickers?
  5. Hattsoff

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    Shortly after the Certifiable episode when it was rumored to have been repaired I saw what appeared to be the same boat on Ebay from MM. As the op pointed out the interior had pillows all over it that clearly had the name on it. Yellow hull yada yada. There was no mention to it's history in the listing. Perhaps if someone went to purchase it they would have to disclose this? I have no idea if the history has to be mentioned. Just curious myself.
  6. jbk4001

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    Different Boat

    This is not the same boat that had the problems last year. This was the owners 1st 63’.
  7. dennismc

    dennismc Senior Member

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    I thought the first 63 had issues and that's why he ended up with a replacement?
  8. Liam

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    Was not the 630 which delam a replacement to a 570?
  9. jbk4001

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    No, it was not.
  10. Kafue

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    Hin

    Before this boat owners chances of re-sale are affected, how about we find out the H.I.N of the De-Laminated Bertram and then ask for this ones' H.I.N.
    Far too important for speculation, or not?
    In either case, the owner is CRAZY to use the Cerifiable name!
  11. Liam

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    These are the HINS and other details of the previous Certifiables. According to this the first Certifiable was not a 630 as the dimensions are different, but nor it is a 570 as it is a bit bigger. I read he had a 60 before going for a 570, a 630, and now a 700

    Vessel Name: CERTIFIABLE
    USCG Doc. No.: 1164298
    Vessel Service: RECREATIONAL IMO Number: *
    Trade Indicator: Recreational Call Sign: *
    Hull Material: FRP (FIBERGLASS)
    Hull Number: BERZ5006F405
    Ship Builder: BERTRAM YACHT INC Year Built: 2004
    Length (ft.): 63.2
    Hull Depth (ft.): 10.6
    Hull Breadth (ft.): 17.9
    Gross Tonnage: 80
    Net Tonnage: 64
    Documentation Issuance Date: September 13, 2007
    Documentation Expiration Date: October 31, 2008

    Vessel Name: CERTIFIABLE
    USCG Doc. No.: 1215953
    Vessel Service: RECREATIONAL IMO Number: *
    Trade Indicator: Recreational Call Sign: *
    Hull Material: FRP (FIBERGLASS)
    Hull Number: BERZ5050F809
    Ship Builder: BERTRAM YACHT INC Year Built: 2008
    Length (ft.): 66.8
    Hull Breadth (ft.): 18.1
    Gross Tonnage: 91
    Net Tonnage: 73
    Documentation Issuance Date: October 06, 2008
    Documentation Expiration Date: October 31, 2009
  12. jbk4001

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    No speculation here...this is not the boat that had the issues last year. That boat wax fixed and sold within 60 days to an owner in
    South America that saw the boat in the condition when it was pulled out in Palm Beach (in case someone was wondering).
  13. K1W1

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    Would you care to explain why you have so much knowledge about what went on?
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    I’m not quite sure what you are asking….? If I didn’t know (things like this) I would not be doing my job. My knowledge is from asking questions, and most important seeing with my own two eyes.
  15. jbk4001

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    It’s kind of like me asking you to explain why you have an interest in this topic…or why you have over 2500 posts on this forum….:confused: :confused:
  16. jbk4001

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    I guess we both would have the same answer…because certain things catch our curiosity and we want to know more about it! :)
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    K1W1 has nothing to explain to you. Every one of his 2500 posts are informative and come from a great deal more experience than you can even remotely fathom.

    You have repeatedly put forward 'inside' information. K1W1 asked a viable question..."Would you care to explain why you have so much knowledge about what went on?"
  18. jbk4001

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    It was not ment to be offensive.And I'm sory if he took it that way, if you read my following post I answered both his (and your) question;)

    "I guess we both would have the same answer…because certain things catch our curiosity and we want to know more about it!"
  19. jbk4001

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    There is NOTHING “inside” about this information! All one needed to do is pick up the phone and ask what happen to the boat!!! It WAS that easy!!!
  20. Capt J

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    That's funny, because there was only 1 Yellow hulled "Certifiable", and there wasn't a second "Certifiable" 630 that I know of....... Common knowledge in the industry is the yellow 630 was the warranty replacement boat for his 570 that had issues, and the yellow 630 with the hull peeling apart was replaced by a 70' that rumor has it, is at the factory having some stringer work done at the factory.

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