Bertram 630 Sportfish Sinks?

Thanks, as they say "a chart is worth every penny"

a chart is also worth a boat sometimes...

in reasonable weather, there is really no way to miss that channel... if the conditions are too rough, you'd want to give those shoals a wide berth anyway, just in case, so woudln't run it. or you'd be inside.

Spoken with the voice of experience. Unfortunately, too many with less hear 4 to 6 out of the N/E and come out Beaufort to find beauty. Then, a couple of hours later, they find out what happens when that N/E meets FP shoal.

Any further news?

I think further news will be found in the legal pages of New York and South Carolina newspapers.

The S.C. lawyers are still talking to salvors so that is strong evidence that there is no insurance coverage and I bet lawsuits will soon fly like snow on a Long Island beach.

59* today. Bad analogy Marmot our beaches stay pretty mild, but you're right about the suits. Even if there is insurance there's always the deductable not to mention what the owner had on board. I've moved a couple of these overseas boats and they do some shopping to save shiping charges. Had one with a lawn tractor, several TV's, Scuba gear, etc. Could be many, many thousands.

Give it a couple of weeks: http://tinyurl.com/yj2yzle

And in this case I don't believe it will be "many thousands" it will probably be many many hundreds of thousands ... what's a new one cost, 2.5 million?

My take on it now is that there are fingers pointing every whichaway at who is holding the bag on this one. I think that SC lawyer's legal notice says more than the words alone.

Was there any information as to exactly how far offshore this happened? Does anyone have a position on the wreck?

Am really curious if it was more than 20 miles off the beach.

This is a 63 Bertram. That should be near impossible unless there was a weak point or the captain was beating the c--- out of it.

I don't know, I was out to the Hamptons a few times this year, and there seemed to be quite a bit of "snow" flying at some of the bars there in the heat of summer.

Usually a good sign to change one's environs.

Perhaps another one some of the same issues as Certifiable???

this was not your father's Bertie! this was a ferretti built bertram....

sorry, but i've seen too many many delivery skippers running flat out to know that this is a possible scenario. when it's 6 to 8 out there, they still run hard "cause the boat can take it"... the owner ends up paying for that macho behavior.

Wouldn't care who made it. A 63' SF can't cave. That's just unacceptable if that's what happened. As for delivery captains pushing it, that's more a case of preasure from the owner to make better time. Being paid by the day I'd love to take 3 or 4 weeks to do the coast. Something tells me that my ear would be exploding with the nightly call to the owner.

I run through there regardless the weather in anything 6' draft or less, the risk of hitting anything is very low even if you don't see the markers which show up very well on the radar even in strong conditions. The difference in sea state between there and outside the shoal is often significant when the wind is blowing. You can go inside between Masonboro and the Cape Fear river, but it wastes a lot of time and puts you at even greater risk of going aground. If the winds are strong, you won't get through on the inside between Moorehead City and Charleston because they lock the bridges down above 30kts of wind. I always hear the calls out of the pileups that occur at the bridges and the assist calls from people who have gone aground. If the weather is bad enough, I just stay at the dock in either Charleston or Beaufort NC until there are conditions I can run outside in.

"Should" being the operative word in that sentence. I don't know of anyone who will beat them that hard, it's too painful. Remember, this is a Ferretti/Bertram. I haven't gone over one, but I haven't met a Ferretti I really liked yet. Italian hulls coming apart isn't really a new issue. As for 4-6' seas, I'm happy with 4-6' seas through there. If they're behind me I even run in 12-14 in a 61 Viking (Princess) Sport Cruiser. Right about 21 kts gives you a nice smooth ride up and over them with a little surfing action down the front of them. Into 4-6'ers I'm down around 16-17 kts and they do just fine. Anything bigger in front of me, and I just wait at the dock for the conditions to change.

You've got that a bit backwards. Delivery skippers are running flat out because the owner is on the phone going "But I've got guests flying in on Monday, it has to be at Miami Beach Marina Monday" and I'm talking to him from the dock in Beaufort NC on Sat evening.... I charge a day rate, and I look bad if I tear up the equipment, I have absolutely no incentive to run flat out in strong conditions.

I hope those 12-14 are very spaced out (15 seconds plus between). Tighter than that and you're in a small craft advisory (if not warning)and a 61 Viking SC qualifies. 12' to 14' will be upward of 15' at Frying Pan and at Charleston entrance. Beaufort to Hilton is 2 days on the inside. (2 maddeningly slow days granted). It sometimes shoals near Carolina Beach and a couple of other spots, but it's completely passable. (Of course you always get the ICW updates before every trip.) There's just no relaxing. Beats spending a day on the dock waiting for the ocean to come around.
Once had an owner who called more than 15 times a day. Of course, being off-shore, I had no cell reception .