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Old 01-12-2009, 07:16 PM   #46
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Personally, (and yes this is a knee jerk reaction) when anybody tries to shock me, like with photos such as what was posted above, my initial reaction is to discount them and anything they have to say.
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Old 02-27-2009, 04:28 AM   #47
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I know that not everyone will agree with this - but I think everyone should see it - then we will be in a better position to make an informed choice.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/c...f_plastic.html
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:22 AM   #48
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Hi,

That is a pretty enlightening video you posted there Revdcs.

I am not familiar with the current UK Supermarket Bag policy but see that where I have been in Europe recently there is a drive for reusable bags all over the place.

The best ones I have seen so far albeit they are large are the French Ones in Carrefour, they are water resistant and have good sturdy cloth type handles so no worries about your goodies ending up all over the road.

The German cloth ones are a bit too small to be of use for anything other than one or two meals.

A lot of people in Germany seem to carry plastic cases in their cars and unpack their einkaufswagens ( Shopping carts) directly into these.

Whilst at home in NZ recently I was surprised for a country that has such a green reputation worldwide that it was business as usual with Plastic Bags available wherever you shopped, one chain gave a free re usable bag with over $30 I think it was of sales.
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Old 02-27-2009, 07:48 AM   #49
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one chain gave a free re usable bag with over $30 I think it was of sales.
With their name on the side of those bags that amounts to free advertising since they're saving the cost by not giving away so many plastic bags. Makes sense to me.
Around here they try to sell these little bags for $1 to $2. That's just greed, and using them just says you're a mark. I hope your guy's idea make it over here. What slows the environmental movement is that corporations first question is always 'How can I make money off it' instead of 'how can I help'.
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Old 02-27-2009, 09:10 AM   #50
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Plastic bags are disappearing rapidly over here too with many shops charging for them. SPAR are in the vanguard of green innovation with a ‘plastic’ carrier that is 100% biodegradable because it’s made from starch. They also give them away free! Several of the meat producers in Devon are now looking at using these starch based products instead of the plastic trays that most supermarket meat comes in.

Although plastic bags are a big problem, the video shows that it is other products, especially those which are used for drinks, that are causing the greatest concern. Perhaps the time has come to go back to glass bottles. A little more expensive to produce and transport but they are 100% recyclable and I guess that if we want to buy a drink, we should be bearing the cost and not the environment or future generations.
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Old 09-22-2009, 10:45 AM   #51
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Plastic Breaks Down in Ocean, After All -- And Fast

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August 20, 2009

Though ocean-borne plastic trash has a reputation as an indestructible, immortal environmental villain, scientists announced yesterday that some plastics actually decompose rapidly in the ocean. And, the researchers say, that's not a good thing.

The team's new study is the first to show that degrading plastics are leaching potentially toxic chemicals such as bisphenol A into the seas, possibly threatening ocean animals, and us.

Scientists had previously thought plastics broke down only at very high temperatures and over hundreds of years.

The researchers behind a new study, however, found that plastic breaks down at cooler temperatures than expected, and within a year of the trash hitting the water.

The Japan-based team collected samples in waters from the U.S., Europe, India, Japan, and elsewhere, lead researcher Katsuhiko Saido, a chemist with the College of Pharmacy at Nihon University in Japan, said via email.

All the water samples were found to contain derivatives of polystyrene, a common plastic used in disposable cutlery, Styrofoam, and DVD cases, among other things, said Saido, who presented the findings at a meeting of the American Chemical Society in Washington, D.C., today.

Plastic, he said, should be considered a new source of chemical pollution in the ocean.


Cooking Up Plastic Soup in the Seas

The toxic compounds the team found don't occur naturally in the ocean, and the researchers thought plastic was the culprit.

The scientists later simulated the decomposition of polystyrene in the sea and found that it degraded at temperatures of 86 degrees Fahrenheit (30 degrees Celsius).

Left behind in the water were the same compounds detected in the ocean samples, such as styrene trimer, a polystyrene by-product, and bisphenol A, a chemical used in hard plastics such as reusable water bottles and the linings of aluminum cans.

Bisphenol A (BPA) has been shown to interfere with the reproductive systems of animals, while styrene monomer is a suspected carcinogen.

The pollutants are likely to be more concentrated in areas heavily littered with plastic debris, such as ocean vortices, which occur where currents meet.

(Related: "Giant Ocean-Trash Vortex Attracts Explorers.")


Plastic Breaks Down Fast

About 44 percent of all seabirds eat plastic, apparently by mistake, sometimes with fatal effects. And 267 marine species are affected by plastic garbage—animals are known to swallow plastic bags, which resemble jellyfish in mid-ocean, for example—according to a 2008 study in the journal Environmental Research by oceanographer and chemist Charles Moore, of the Algalita Marine Research Foundation.

Now, it seems, they also face the invisible threat of toxic, plastic-derived chemicals.

Once Styrofoam, for example, breaks down, the tiny polystyrene components start to sink, because they're heavier than water, Moore said. "So it's likely that this styrene pollutant is prevalent throughout the water column and not just at the surface."

Along with Moore, David Barnes, a marine ecologist from the British Antarctic Survey, doesn't think the Japanese team's lab results can be applied uniformly across the ocean, however. Water temperatures are typically much cooler than the 86 degrees Fahrenheit in the study, he said.

"We're talking about, effectively, what happens in [zones] of tropical and some subtropical coasts. And there, [the] study may be very important," Barnes said.


Ocean as "Plastic Soup"

Plastic hits marine creatures with a double whammy, Moore said. Along with the toxic chemicals released from the breakdown of plastic, animals also take in other chemicals that the plastic has accumulated from outside sources in the water.

"We knew ten years ago that plastic could be a million times more toxic than the seawater itself," because plastic items tend to accumulate a surface layer of chemicals from seawater, Moore said. "They're sponges."

Moore worries about the plastic-derived chemicals' potential damage to wildlife. The chemicals can potentially cause cancer in humans, he said, and simpler life-forms "may be more susceptible then we are."

Pollutants also become more concentrated as animals eat other contaminated animals—which could be bad news for us, the animals at the top of the food chain. (Read National Geographic magazine's "The Pollution Within.")

Moore estimates plastic debris—most of it smaller than a fifth of an inch (five millimeters)—is "dispersed over millions of square miles of ocean and miles' deep in the water column.

"The plastic soup we've made of the ocean is pretty universal—it's just a matter of degree," he said. "All these effects we're worried about are happening throughout the ocean as a unity."
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Old 09-22-2009, 08:12 PM   #52
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Let's be realistic. Talk is cheap. and it just goes on and on. The only thing that matters is profit. Kill the oceans; kill the land; kill the air. Let whatever species that can survive that have what's left. Man will not change. Soon he'll make himself extinct and it will be well deserved. The ants and cockroaches are having a good laugh.
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Ocean Rubbish Dump

The world's rubbish dump: a tip that stretches from Hawaii to Japan
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Old 09-27-2009, 12:01 AM   #54
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Soup?

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Marcus Eriksen, a research director of the US-based Algalita Marine Research Foundation, which Mr Moore founded, said yesterday: "The original idea that people had was that it was an island of plastic garbage that you could almost walk on. It is not quite like that. It is almost like a plastic soup.
That's quite a step back from what was posted in January.

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The north pacific gyre alone, has a density of 14.8 million visible pieces of floating plastic per square mile, over an area twice the size of texas (3,11). Thats 1.9 pieces of plastic such as, bottles, bottle caps, lighters, beach palls, plastic packaging or plastic aquariums for every square foot of ocean surface spanning an area of 537,202 square miles
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