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Old 08-27-2008, 10:02 AM   #16
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Well done Nycap you got my point about dumping trash on land, can you imagine what the stew would have said if I had gone up and covered the deck in sticky coke and left the wrapper from my sandwich were the yacht was docked.
I told you guys I am a future capt that will be up on time and man management, saving the owners several dollars.
Then again I watched lovely, unwrapped delivered provisions being delivered to a yacht and it seemed the whole crew decided to drop tools and everything they were doing to cart the shopping in.
Was it a case of while the cats away the mice will do as they please or are they so bored and understimulated a food delivery is exciting.
I am sure the chef and female stews could have dealt with the provisions delivery.
(The music that was blaring out of this megayacht was enough to wilt the lettuce.)
We eat to live, sorry all you yacht chefs but food is something you grab between all the far more important tasks of maintaining, running and sailing a yacht.
Anyone interested several charities through out the world take clean empty cans, bottles and revert them to cash.
There are companies who also recycle packets.
There is even companies who recycle chips (crisps) packets and recycle them into handbags.
Cash could go back into the environment, wildlife, coast guard, RNLI, recycling projects etc donated by the owner of yacht and his crew.....

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Old 08-27-2008, 10:19 AM   #17
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As far as dropping what you're doing to bring in the provisions, yes it is a break from your normal (maybe boring) duties, but you also want to get them on board before they spoil or the seagulls steal them.
At a marina I used to run we set up recycle bins for cans and I've seen them in a few others. I'm sure it would only take a mention or two to get any marina to set out an extra can though. So, pass the word. One thing that may slow others from doing it is the slobs who dump their garbage in them. Courtesy folks. Somebody then has to seperate that.
As for dumping garbage at sea, there is no excuse for it. For the short time out it can be compacted and frozen (if no other secure storage is available) thereby eliminating any smells or vermin.
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:52 AM   #18
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Garbage Soup: Secrets Spewed Up by the Trash Vortex

Discovered by a sailor in 1997, the 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch' or 'trash vortex' that floats around in oceanic gyres is now of great interest to scientists, biologists, weather forecasters and marine researchers for the information it reveals about ocean currents.

There is a soup of waste – humanity’s flotsam and debris – literally clogging the Pacific Ocean. Experts say it’s growing at an alarming rate and now covers an area twice the size of the USA. This floating rubbish dump stretches from Hawaii almost to Japan and is held in place by swirling underwater currents.

Charles Moore, an American oceanographer who discovered the phenomenon and coined the phrases 'Great Pacific Garbage Patch' or 'trash vortex', believes that about 100 million tons of flotsam are circulating in the region.

Marcus Eriksen, a research director of the US-based Algalita Marine Research Foundation, which Moore founded, describes it as 'a plastic soup'.

'It moves around and when it comes close to land, as it does at the Hawaiian archipelago, the results are dramatic. The garbage patch barfs, and you get a beach covered with this confetti of plastic.'

About one-fifth of the stuff is thrown off ships or oil platforms. The rest has been discarded from the land.

Moore, a former sailor, first encountered the rubbish in 1997, while taking a short cut home from a Los Angeles to Hawaii yacht race. He had steered his craft into the 'North Pacific gyre', a vortex where the ocean circulates slowly because of little wind and extreme high pressure systems.

Gobsmacked by its magnitude, Moore, the heir to a family fortune from the oil industry, was inspired to sell his business interests and become an environmental activist. These days he warns people that unless consumers cut back on their use of disposable plastics, the plastic stew will double in size over the next decade.

In the past, rubbish that ended up in oceanic gyres has biodegraded. But modern plastics are so durable that objects half-a-century old have been found in the north Pacific dump.

Moore said that because the sea of rubbish is translucent and lies just below the water's surface, it is not detectable in satellite photographs. 'You only see it from the bows of ships,' he said.

Worldwide, about 10,000 cargo containers fall overboard each year. In most parts of the world, the dispersal of flotsam isn't of major interest to researchers. But along the busy trade routes that link eastern Asia to North America, the random rubbish and containers that drop off ships are showing scientists precisely how the Pacific Subarctic Gyre works.

Despite thousands of scientific instruments dotted around our oceans, when it comes to measuring surface currents, scientists have been limited by their equipment. Satellite-monitored probes called Argo floats drift through the ocean at depths of about 2 kilometers. Every 10 days or so, they pop up to measure the overlying water's temperature and salinity.

However, the direction and speed of deep currents, where these high-tech probes spend most of their time, don't necessarily match those of currents in the top few metres or centimeters of ocean. The path of an Argo float provides little information about surface currents.

Then there are probes specifically designed to ride surface currents. These face their own problems. Their sensors can quickly become obstructed by algae, barnacles, and other organisms that thrive in the sunlit section of the ocean.
On top of all that, probes use batteries that fail within months, only allowing them to travel a small fraction of the path around the gyre.

Now, to map the currents and clock their speeds, scientists are harnessing the power of floating junk. For the first time, scientists can estimate that a lap around the Pacific Subarctic Gyre takes approximately three years. From that and other studies of the circulating trash, researchers have noticed long-term variations in water temperature and salinity in the North Pacific that hadn't been observed previously.

Research aside, the consequences of this massive bundle of plastic debris are negative. Plastic is believed to constitute 90 per cent of all rubbish floating in the oceans. The UN Environment Program estimated in 2006 that every square mile of ocean contains 46,000 pieces of floating plastic. The group states that plastic waste causes the deaths of more than a million seabirds every year, as well as more than 100,000 marine mammals.

And not all plastic floats. Around 70 per cent of the junk sinks to the bottom, stifling the sea bed, killing organisms and messing with the food chain. In fact around 70 percent of discarded plastic sinks to the bottom. Dutch scientists have counted around 110 pieces of litter for every square kilometre of the seabed, a staggering 600,000 tonnes in the North Sea alone.

Our plastic waste poses a risk to our health too. What goes into the ocean goes into the food chain and eventually onto your dinner plate. Hundreds of millions of tiny plastic pellets, known as 'nurdles' - the raw materials for the plastic industry - are lost or spilled every year, working their way into the sea. These pollutants act as chemical sponges attracting man-made chemicals such as hydrocarbons and the pesticide DDT.

The North Pacific gyre is one of five major ocean gyres and it is possible that this Trash Vortex problem is one which is present in other oceans as well. The Sargasso Sea is a well known slow circulation area in the Atlantic, and research there has also demonstrated high concentrations of plastic particles present in the water.

Greenpeace warns that floating plastics can also affect marine ecosystems in yet another way: by providing a ready surface for organisms to live on. These plants and animals are then transported far outside their normal habitat to invade new habitats and become potential nuisance species.

('There have been pieces of plastic washed and dredged up that are more than 50 years old.')

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Old 01-03-2009, 10:10 AM   #19
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The results of a morning's beach clean at Midway Atoll, 1200 miles NW of Hawaii. The atoll supports the world's largest population of Laysan Albatross, nearly 71% or thereabouts, and cigarette lighters claim the lives of many. This, on a small island far removed from civilization, demonstrates only too well the long-term effect mankind can have on the oceans and their gyre currents.


Here's a good general news-story that will help explain to those who have difficulty comprehending - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6218698.stm . I think this may be the link Boston is missing in his list
Midway atoll before the land was cleared to create a airstrip/base/waystation supported less than 200 thousand pairs of breeding sea birds. After clearing it's closer to two million. Should we change the island back to what it was like before man arrived? I lived on Midway for over a year. I'd be very careful of any "news" or "facts" that came from there- the "scientists" that work on the island clearly have/had an agenda and from my view it was to get more funding and continue to live there. This was paramount to those "scientists". You cannot compare Midway to every other island or ANY island elsewhere. No other place in the world accumulates as much man made articles due to ocean currents, but most readers will conclude other places will also get this same amount of trash. Plastic bags are not nice to the oceans- but what are average shoppers to do? Put store bought produce in cloth bags? Are you gonna carry them around in your car? Put automotive purchases in it also? Clothes purchases? Keep one set of bags for grocery and another set for "dirty" non grocery and yet a third for "clean" non grocery? While I am not in favor of more plastic on the ocean, landfill or as blowing around on land, it seems when people set their sites on one thing the balance they should have to clearly see the effects they espouse tend to go out the window. Don't get mad at me for pointing these things out... I certainly do not have a interest in plastic bag companies or seeing more plastic in the ocean.
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Old 01-06-2009, 03:36 PM   #20
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I go out of my way to fish every plastic bag that I see out of the water. I also throw my beer bottle caps into the ocean because they sink to the bottom and are completely irrelevent. It is a shame that ocean trash is not as biodegradable or nostalgic as the old rum bottles, cannons, and old sailing ship ruins that dot our oceans, reefs, and beaches.
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I also throw my beer bottle caps into the ocean because they sink to the bottom and are completely irrelevent.

The poor fish that catched it may have another opinion...
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The poor fish that catched it may have another opinion...

Ok. Maybe I'm wrong. Does anyone have statistics to show that beer bottle caps hurt fish? I will stop my barbaric practice if such statistics exist.
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I also throw my beer bottle caps into the ocean because they sink to the bottom and are completely irrelevent.
Don't know about the statistics you asked for but would you be satisfied a list of the number of marine species that bottom feed?
On the subject of plastic bags does anyone know why the bags certain markets use have machined holes in the bottom. We try to reuse the bags for kitty litter, etc., but are unable to reuse. Is this done so more bags can be sold?
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On the subject of plastic bags does anyone know why the bags certain markets use have machined holes in the bottom. We try to reuse the bags for kitty litter, etc., but are unable to reuse. Is this done so more bags can be sold?

Children are sometimes playing with bags over their heads, the holes can save a child from suffocation....
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Ok. Maybe I'm wrong. Does anyone have statistics to show that beer bottle caps hurt fish? I will stop my barbaric practice if such statistics exist.

This also goes for the idea of smashing bottles into pieces to sink them. Ask a fisherman about it...
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I was cleaning my fish freezer of ice once and the marine clean up crew came whilst I was doing so and started screaming at me to "not throw anything in the ocean!!!!"
Otherwise nothing from my boat goes overboard- including cig butts (not mine- I don't smoke) or bottle tops. We drink out of cans anyways.
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I was cleaning my fish freezer of ice once and the marine clean up crew came whilst I was doing so and started screaming at me to "not throw anything in the ocean!!!!"
Otherwise nothing from my boat goes overboard- including cig butts (not mine- I don't smoke) or bottle tops. We drink out of cans anyways.

Yea, that whole zero tolerance sillyness makes my skin crawl. Ironically, some of the most regulated waterways in this country are also some of the dirtiest, and they aren't in places you would expect. Other places with little or no Eco-management regulations, like the Bahamas, have gin clear waters. Go figure. Even Miami and the Keys have imperfect reefs. It's not from bottle caps or ice in the water, but from sewage and TOO MANY PEOPLE living in the region. Ie Miami.

Terms like "barking up the wrong tree" and "poor or allocation of resources" come to mind when I think about the way the government handles not only protecting, but repairing our damaged environment.
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I was cleaning my fish freezer of ice once and the marine clean up crew came whilst I was doing so and started screaming at me to "not throw anything in the ocean!!!!"
I've never run across a marina that objected to clean water (ice) going into the ocean so I'm guessing that they may have thought there could be fish remains included and maybe over reacted. We all know how pleasant the back of a marina with bad flow can get when it collects fish parts.
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....Plastic bags are not nice to the oceans- but what are average shoppers to do? Put store bought produce in cloth bags? Are you gonna carry them around in your car? Put automotive purchases in it also? Clothes purchases? Keep one set of bags for grocery and another set for "dirty" non grocery and yet a third for "clean" non grocery? While I am not in favor of more plastic on the ocean, landfill or as blowing around on land, it seems when people set their sites on one thing the balance they should have to clearly see the effects they espouse tend to go out the window.
No we're likely not going to stop the general use of plastic bags, but we should give much more serious consideration to recycling all of this plastic...keep it out of our landfills and our waters. Just requires some 'retraining' on all of our parts.
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That last bit about plastics effecting marine ecosystems was so vastly understated it makes me just want to give up and stay inland

Plastic outweighs plankton in the oceans by about 10/1 these days. That means that marine organisms designed to filter plankton are getting about ten bits of plankton sized plastic for each actual bit of plankton they consume. They are in many cases starving to death in a sea of plastic fragments the environmental toll is extraordinary.

Once upon a time, maybe twenty years ago 150 million green sea turtles swam in the gulf of Mexico. Today they are nearly extinct. Why? they choked to death on plastic bags. The total volume of biomass of those turtles was the equivalant of every mammal on the continent of Africa combined.

Yet the previous missive for as good as it was left it to the last paragraph and a mention of nuisance species. We are the nuisance species kids, and the day we learn that is the day things start getting better around here.

My sympathies to our kids. They are going to be really pissed off at us when they figure out what we've done to this place
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