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Arniev · 03-12-2008, 06:13 PM

Yes, Firefox loads faster because of it's cleaner code.
IE takes a lot longer because of all the unnecessary stuff/crap that goes with it.
Firefox's program architecture/logic structure was obviously well thought-out, with faster pageloads as one of the objectives. They also avoided a lot of the logic flaws that give rise to many critical patches that IE continuously needs.

Firefox 3 Beta 4 is now out, and preliminary tests show it to be 3times faster than Firefox 2 and 5 times faster than IE7. Still, this is just a Beta release, so a lot more changes to it are coming.

PropBet · 03-12-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Arniev

Yes, Firefox loads faster because of it's cleaner code.
IE takes a lot longer because of all the unnecessary stuff/crap that goes with it.
Firefox's program architecture/logic structure was obviously well thought-out, with faster pageloads as one of the objectives. They also avoided a lot of the logic flaws that give rise to many critical patches that IE continuously needs.

Firefox 3 Beta 4 is now out, and preliminary tests show it to be 3times faster than Firefox 2 and 5 times faster than IE7. Still, this is just a Beta release, so a lot more changes to it are coming.

Again, I meant no offense in posting that.
I think we both see FF in the same regard.

FF3 looks to be the flagship with some of the things the team is incorporating, as well, like you said, raw speed and ease of use / updates, etc.

Arniev · 03-12-2008, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by PropBet

Again, I meant no offense in posting that.
I think we both see FF in the same regard.

No offense taken.
I just hope FF3, when it finally comes out after Beta 5, will benefit a lot more people.
I'm also hearing a lot of hype about IE8.

brian eiland · 03-13-2008, 11:06 AM

How about these operating systems?

As I understand it Vista is overburdened with a lot of grap that results in its taking up a whole lot more space, and requiring a lot more computer capacity to operate properly.

...and then its being forced down our throats by the computer industry bowing to Microsoft to put it on all new release machines.

Am I wrong?

KCook · 03-13-2008, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Arniev

No offense taken.
I just hope FF3, when it finally comes out after Beta 5, will benefit a lot more people.
I'm also hearing a lot of hype about IE8.

I cheat. Simply stayed with IE6

Kevin · 03-13-2008, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

How about these operating systems?

As I understand it Vista is overburdened with a lot of grap that results in its taking up a whole lot more space, and requiring a lot more computer capacity to operate properly.

...and then its being forced down our throats by the computer industry bowing to Microsoft to put it on all new release machines.

Am I wrong?

Well that's my experience with it.

Arniev · 03-13-2008, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brian eiland

How about these operating systems?

As I understand it Vista is overburdened with a lot of grap that results in its taking up a whole lot more space, and requiring a lot more computer capacity to operate properly.

...and then its being forced down our throats by the computer industry bowing to Microsoft to put it on all new release machines.

Am I wrong?

Hi, Brian.
You're right. Majority of PC's sold come with Microsoft Operating Systems.
That's what they call a "captive market".
Since Vista is new, there's a lot of tweaking that has to be done.
Microsoft is coming out with their first Service Pack for Vista (SP1) in order to fix all the flaws that they've found (so far).
XP on the other hand, has been around for quite a while, and after availability of SP2, many major problems were eliminated. Security updates are, of course, a regular thing. So keeping the Automatic Update ON is imperative.
Still, there is NO NEED to upgrade from XP to Vista.
For those who want Vista, it is best to just wait till they have to buy a new PC, so they get Vista with it.
Arnie

brian eiland · 03-13-2008, 04:03 PM

I just bought a new (used) laptop from a gentleman on Ebay who indicated he could supply it with either Vista or XP. I said please give me XP because I have two others operating on XP, and things are going reasonably well. Plus, I thought it might be nice to keep them all the same.

A little research lead me to the conclusion that Vista was just another way for Microsoft to suck in new money and make old systems obsolete eventually. And many of the new computers it was being installed on didn't really have the specs to fully appreciate all the extras of Vista...so eventually one would have to upgrade their computer's capacity...sort of a self-serving salesjob by both Microsoft and the computer manufactures.

I even resisted downloading SP #2 for the longest time as I had heard it could create problems with some peripherals. In fact not long after I downloaded SP2 my Netgear WG511T wireless card stopped operating. When I visited this site, I was informed about this failure to connect after installing a certain 'hotfix' offered up by Microsoft:

http://kbserver.netgear.com/kb_web_files/n101214.asp

...problem is I can't find that 'particular hotfix' on my computer per the instructions provide?? As I said, I'm a computer illerate. It appears as though the wireless card has been 'damaged' by the Microsoft software??

Arniev · 03-13-2008, 06:13 PM

Brian,
I don't think the wireless card was damaged by the MS software.
I could be that you only need a new/updated "device driver" specific for your wireless card to run using Win XP.
You can try this:
1. Install wireless card into laptop.
2. Pull up IE browser.
3. Click on HELP, then "Windows Update".
4. Choose "Custom" then go ahead and let the MS Update program scan your computer for needed software updates. It will scan for both software and hardward driver updates.
5. If results show a new/updated driver for your wireless card, Download it and Install, as per instructions that will come up after downloading.
Good luck!
Arnie

brian eiland · 03-13-2008, 08:30 PM

Arniev,
It only came up with two updates
1) Malicious Software Removal Tool
2) Internet Explorer 7
...and nothing about the NetGear equip and/or wireless card

...and I allowed Explorer 7 to install, and am unsure as to whether I should have?...is this another Vista type piece of work?

Arniev · 03-13-2008, 10:47 PM

Brian,
The only alternative is the one suggested by Netgear, which is to REMOVE the Windows XP Hotfix (SP2) Q815485 by using the Add/Remove Programs utility.
I don't think removing the Hotfix will cause any major problems.
Don't forget to REBOOT your laptop after removing the Hotfix.
Arnie

PropBet · 03-13-2008, 11:17 PM

*no* operating system should require 1GIG of RAM to run.
Secksy? yes. Nice interface.

Once XP goes to EOL, I'll make the rest / final transition to Unubtu or another Linux distro and be 100% free of MS. I refuse to use any of their other products. the only product I use currently is XP.

Thunderbird - Email (open source / free)
Firefox - Browser (open source / free)
Open Office - Office suite of applications. (open source / free)
Google Apps - Endless applications for collaboration, sharing, applications, etc.)
along with a host of other open source / non-proprietary applications for anything else I need. (mp3 player, image manipulation, fax / VoIP, etc. etc.)

Get yourself out of the strangling effect of MS.
MS is a way. It is not *the* way of life.

Arniev · 03-13-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by brian eiland

...problem is I can't find that 'particular hotfix' on my computer per the instructions provide?? As I said, I'm a computer illerate. It appears as though the wireless card has been 'damaged' by the Microsoft software??

Brian,
To Remove the Hotfix
1. Click Start > Settings > Control Panel > Add/Remove Programs.
2. Click Windows XP Hotfix (SP2) Q815485.
3. Click Remove. You might see a message that programs won't work if the update is removed. Ignore it, and click Yes to remove the update.
4. Restart your computer.

If you can't find the file using the above procedure, use the Search function.
Click on START, then SEARCH, then For Files/Folders, then Files and Folders. Enter the filename and click Search. The resulting window will show you where the files are, and you can remove the files accordingly (Right-Click on filename and then click DELETE, then Yes).

You also have to reinstall the Netgear Device Driver, which can be downloaded from the Netgear website.
http://kbserver.netgear.com/release_notes/d103209.asp
Install as instructed.
Then Reboot your laptop.

Arnie

Arniev · 03-20-2008, 01:42 PM

A short note for Microsoft Vista users who recently (or intend to) download and install Service Pack 1 (SP1) for Vista:

Microsoft as come out with a list of software that may not work on pc's with Vista SP1:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/935796