[Marmot]

Originally Posted by Capt J

Here's one right in this thread "When we are talking about boats like Yogi, we are not talking about the kind of junk you keep telling us about."

That's a personal attack? Good grief, even onions don't have skin that thin!

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by Capt J

In my opinion Yogi is pure junk. a 1 year old megayacht sinking in a moderate sea.

So do you have access to otherwise unknown knowledge about the causes of the loss or what?

Originally Posted by Capt J

I took a 1998 45' Searay sedan Bridge from ft. lauderdale to St. Croix back in 2007, we got into 10-12' seas from PR to St. Croix,

A lot depends where the waves come from compared to the vessels direction. A following sea will not cause the slamming that a head sea will.

[BEAU]

The only honorable way to solve this is with Pistols. Stand in a circle. Each man points his gun at the head of the gentleman to his left. On the count of 3 - fire. This way way you all win. Now, don't shoot the messenger!

[weto]

WOW ! I'm just sittin here eating my popcorn and watching the show.

[Marmot]

"Admin Edit: This thread has been split from the "Yogi Sinks" thread to prevent further embarrassment to the community. That thread has been locked. "

What was embarrassing?

It couldn't have been the sophomoric comments since they were reposted to start this thread.

??

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by K1W1

So do you have access to otherwise unknown knowledge about the causes of the loss or what?



A lot depends where the waves come from compared to the vessels direction. A following sea will not cause the slamming that a head sea will.

Obviously, the 10-12' seas in the Searay WERE a head sea..... and it faired extremely well actually......We were able to maintain 12-13 knots

[Savasa]

Good evening everyone,
As I peruse the genteel offerings of this thread I thank the stars we're not dealing with 900 pound gorillas. Those babies are REALLY nasty!!!!!!
Peter

[MountainGuy]

If you cant post to the matter, please just stop. The problem with discussions like this is that by posters like Marmot and those who reply to him, the whole forum looses. I stop reading the Yogi and the Gorilla thread. If this spreads to other threads aswell, I'll stop reading yachtforums.

I simply feel bothered...

[Marmot]

Originally Posted by MountainGuy

If you cant post to the matter, please just stop.

If you would be so kind as to describe exactly what you understand to be the matter under discussion it might help you feel better and perhaps help explain to me precisely which comments I have made that are so off the matter that you are disturbed.

The Yogi thread was very pointedly on topic about the possible reasons behind the underlying causes of the sinking. It should be pretty clear where the thread was hijacked by a couple of people who quite obviously have no concept of the operation of that type of vessel. Ask them why they felt it necessary to do so, don't blame me for it.

As far as this thread, read the posts, it is solely an attempt to defame a pair of forum members who have little patience with those who act like the ones who trashed the Yogi thread. Read the response to a request to illustrate a "personal attack." Read the description of a "personal attack."

There are a few here who simply can't abide a differing opinion and probably consider a weather report a "personal attack." I think a few, and your comments indicate you may be one of them, need to grow up and quit whining when I or someone else calls a fool a fool and ridicules the ridiculous.

If you can't handle criticism them maybe you should read children's stories instead of discussions about controversial events. Posting a passive agressive threat to leave is as absurd as your reasons for doing so. If you want discussions to focus on the "matter" then it is up to you to do just that. Do you have anything to contribute to the "matter" other than a whine and a ridiculous threat?

[Capt J]

I think there are good ways to get any message across without insulting others. Then there are other ways criticizing someone else, and that is never good. I have seen a great number of threads get off topic by various members, sometimes even by myself, and I agree that nobody benefits and the forum as a whole loses. The sign of a great leader is one that always inspires others even at the same time of teaching them a better way to do something. I think that part of it is the cultural differences from all of the members here, sometimes it's a simple misunderstanding or language barrier. And, other times I've seen a few certain members who tend to have a brash reply many times, or come off as condescending or criticize others.......

[C4ENG]

Originally Posted by Capt J

The sign of a great leader is one that always inspires others even at the same time of teaching them a better way to do something. I think that part of it is the cultural differences from all of the members here, sometimes it's a simple misunderstanding or language barrier.

I believe I have learned a worth while sharing experience here with the help of other posters that I would like to share.
I can write the words "You are an idiot!" to some one here on YF and they can be very easily taken into context that they are insulting and offending. I can say the same words while you are in my presence with a half smile and laugh and those same words take on a whole new meaning. Then you tell me "Well your are a moron!" And we laugh about it.
The context of words on line can be very easily misunderstood as we do not have the ability to express emotion with our statements like we un knowingly do in our day to day communication with others.
I am reading Marmots post here as he shares he does not see the offensive statements in his previous post. I would like to believe that he really does not believe he has offended me or others in the past. I can see if the same words where spoken in person, I could take them very differently.
I very purposely tried to offend both K1 and Marmot in retaliation to the context and meaning I gave there words to me. If you two are reading this, I really hope you will accept my apology for the shots I fired across your bow. I respect both of you for the knowledge and input you both give to this forum and I really hope you will continue to share that with me and the others that are here. I would much rather be with you than against you.

[C4ENG]

Originally Posted by BEAU

The only honorable way to solve this is with Pistols. Stand in a circle. Each man points his gun at the head of the gentleman to his left. On the count of 3 - fire. This way way you all win. Now, don't shoot the messenger!

I been needing to get this off my chest as well,

What!! Are you f***ing retarded or something!?!? Now tell me something about a boat that I do not know!

Believe me my context in person would of had you laughing