Exercise de style

SVDesign · 08-22-2008, 07:20 AM

More picts :

K1W1 · 08-22-2008, 07:25 AM

Hi,

I would like to point out to you and any other budding designers that having, filler and or paint between widely spaced ribs under the Anchor area is a mess waiting to appear.

The Anchors just tear the heck out of these areas even on boats with conventional bows.

I am presently dealing with a boat that is going to dig all the filler out and just paint between the Stainless Bars, if this doesn't improve things they will add extra bars between the existing ones which are currently 90 mm apart.

SVDesign · 08-22-2008, 07:28 AM

Thanks for your advice

I will make it plain stainless steel. This should solve this point

KCook · 08-23-2008, 11:49 AM

Err, so what will "ram speed" be?

wude Kelly

SVDesign · 08-24-2008, 07:09 AM

A little 20kts sounds reasonable, doesn't it ?

I should also put a complete bow piece in stainless steel to avoid scratches on the paint because of ramming

I think replacing to old steam engines by fast diesel engines could give more than 20 kts with better arrangement inside than these huge machines.
Funnels can be advantageously recycled into elevators, keeping the same old classic look but using smart technology where possible.

Here is the old Jauréguiberry, from 1900, full throttle at 17kts with 15 000 hp. We should do better by now, especially about smoke.....

KCook · 08-24-2008, 10:41 AM

Neat photos! That top one is really remarkable quality for a photo taken in 1900.

Kelly

'roundthehorn · 08-28-2008, 06:59 PM

First, let me say that I am making no accusations of plagiarism or have any ties to either Feadship or member SVDesign, but I immediately thought about SVDesign’s postings of Cyclop and to some extent Organik after viewing some drawings from Feadship... http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/fe...m-concept.html

Is it me or is there a striking resemblance between some of the designs features of Feadship’s X-stream and F-stream and SVDesign’s drawings?

YachtForums · 08-28-2008, 07:12 PM

'roundthehorn,

I edited the link in your post and redirected to the same craft, which I previously wrote a feature on. Hope you are not offended, but diverting traffic to DB's website is just plain... well, is yucky a word?

'roundthehorn · 08-28-2008, 08:02 PM

No offense taken. I had not seen the feature you linked to and only came across the Feadship drawings for the first time today on the other site as I mentioned. I just wanted to provide the visual reference in case anyone else wondered what I was speaking about.

'roundthehorn · 08-28-2008, 08:12 PM

Now that I know there was a feature done on the F-stream I reviewed the forums and found you also had a story on the X-stream project. So I thought I’d provide a link back to that article as well!

(Future Concept - Feadship X-stream)

SVDesign · 08-29-2008, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 'roundthehorn

First, let me say that I am making no accusations of plagiarism or have any ties to either Feadship or member SVDesign, but I immediately thought about SVDesign’s postings of Cyclop and to some extent Organik after viewing some drawings from Feadship... http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/fe...m-concept.html

Is it me or is there a striking resemblance between some of the designs features of Feadship’s X-stream and F-stream and SVDesign’s drawings?

Could you be more explicit about the similarities you noticed ? I'm interessed in what you could point out

I discovered Feadship projects when I posted my renders on this forum, and honnestly speaking I was happy to see that somebody else than me was fed up with common white yachts, and also that my brainstorming was not something which could have sent me into psychiatric services.

I'm not part of "mega-yachting" world usually, but I sailed a lot in different ships (with and without sails) and I designed something I would be happy to have under my feet one day if I could, based completely on my experience and with a very small interest to what were the usual standards for mega-yachts.

Now, we can find similarities into the development of functions aboard because the needs and analysis have been carried out taking care of same constraints. That's called Functional Analysis in any good engineering process.
You can note also that final compromise is not the same for deck layouts, for example.

I've seen nothing like what I designed on Cyclop on any yacht : big rounded glass for wheelhouse and owner's suite, auto-supported decks to give light inside superstructure on the aft side, etc....

I've seen nothing like the feather and aft supporting arches I designed on Organik.

If tomorrow a shipyard is unveiling a new concept taking advantage of one of these, I think I should go to visit them. If they paint it metallic blue and white for the top.......

I think we'll see more and more concepts like those ones, because we have to move ahead with "green" boats and energy considerations. It goes in parallel with different mind of owners also, more oriented towards nature-friendly sailing than having a sophisticate drink on the sun-deck at midnight in the middle of an over-populated marina.

That's only my feeling, and I would be happy to discuss of all these considerations with you

AMG · 08-29-2008, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SVDesign

If tomorrow a shipyard is unveiling a new concept taking advantage of one of these, I think I should go to visit them. If they paint it metallic blue and white for the top.......

Perhaps if you take the three designs from Martin Francis, Eco, Sigma and Crystal Ball, put them in a shaker and you will see your designs come out...

SVDesign · 08-29-2008, 05:22 AM

Thank you for Cristal Ball, I did not know it before, and it looks very interesting. Superstructure style looks very similar to what has been recently built into Barcelona with Agbar Tower and Gherkin Tower in London.

Please add in my shaker :
- B24 war bomber, for the complete dome of plexiglass
- Turbinia and all her torpedo-sister boats from 1920's for sharp and strait bows
- Airbus, for its nice wind shield
- Mother Nature, for designing so nice fins on killer-whale back
- unknown roman and gothic architects for supporting arches
- Mr. Jules Verne for 20.000 leagues under the sea and all other science-fiction impregnation
- NASA, for hydrogen fuell cells development
- Mr. Archimede for floating boat concept
- etc.....

I'm sure I forgot a lot of them. I hope they will forgive me

AMG · 08-29-2008, 05:44 AM

There you see, sometimes we don´t even know where our inspiration comes from. I know that many of my ideas are popping up in other boats, but there was only one shipyard that took an entire concept and tried to market it.

BTW, I like those big white yachts...

SVDesign · 08-29-2008, 05:55 AM

I read the dedicated thread.... Difficult to stay 'zen' when it is so obvious.

I'm like you : I design things because I feel it, and very often during endless meetings I'm sketching small part of window, of bow, of hull and propulsion.... and one day I have a clear picture of a combination of some of these elements which could work together.

We all have a personal shaker in our head, but the finale recipe should be unique even if sometimes we are using common ingredients.

White yachts are there, they made what is yachting today, but with the time they lost wooden hull, steam engines, they got fire insulation and fire fighting devices, they adopted hydrojets and jet gas turbines.

We had Golden Ages, then we are approaching the end of Oil Ages.
What could be the next technologic improvement to come ?

I have a small idea on this issue........