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03-24-2008, 01:23 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by orion |
On this, I think they have gained more experience today and especially with the IPS II and more powerful engines you will have problems. Not only in turns, but the drives creates a lift when they are too angled which can make it hard also to maintain a straight course. You can build recesses as they do for the mid engine in a triple configuration, but then we have to test it out before making moulds...
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03-24-2008, 02:00 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by AMG
Codger, this boat will be owner operated. With IPS and joystick it would not be hard to drive and I think we will find our clients among pretty experienced people.
Finally, what I would buy..? I browsed through some magazines to find something, but even if I got any boat there for free, I did not find any production boat, regardless of size, that I would take.
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Perhaps you've answered your own question. 
Look at your own choices. Experience comes with a benefit, an itemised mental list of what not to do or to buy again and practicality becomes more important. Trying to be all things to all people generally results in mediocrity.
Nilo and Outmywindow make their points with more insight than I could even attempt.
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03-24-2008, 02:00 PM
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Kelly, did you know that a 375 hp petrol V8 is now available with IPS on some markets, I guess the US being one of them.
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03-24-2008, 03:09 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by AMG On this, I think they have gained more experience today and especially with the IPS II and more powerful engines you will have problems. Not only in turns, but the drives creates a lift when they are too angled which can make it hard also to maintain a straight course. You can build recesses as they do for the mid engine in a triple configuration, but then we have to test it out before making moulds... |
The Seavee 390i IPS have 22.5 deg. deadrise and are without recesses.
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03-24-2008, 03:28 PM
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OK, I was talking to the guy who is responsible for IPS at Volvo Penta Sweden and he said I could not use 22°. He also said that it increased the risk of cavitation damage to the IPS as they are sucking air from the sides. So my conclusion is that they have used them on such boats and the experience is that they will not recommend it.
A second problem is that they don´t have props for higher speeds than 43 knots, and I want for 50 knots. Perhaps they have for the petrol version, but not for the diesels...
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03-24-2008, 10:07 PM
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Quote: | Originally Posted by AMG Kelly, did you know that a 375 hp petrol V8 is now available with IPS on some markets, I guess the US being one of them. |
Sorry, no. I have not been following the IPS scene all that closely. But the boat in that link I provided is the same SeaVee model that Orion just posted about.
Kelly
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04-01-2008, 04:14 PM
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| Evo II
I am using my sparetime to find the right lines for our future 50-footer. It is fun but also challenging to keep our signature look and still renew it. This is the latest version...
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04-01-2008, 09:13 PM
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Good compromise. Is this one offset? Looks like access from both sides.
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04-02-2008, 11:08 AM
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WOW! now that's what i'm talking about
that one is just perfect (except the props, they're looking wrong placed)
is it possible that you add a upper seete like on the 40 footer?
maybe that would make the point
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04-02-2008, 03:59 PM
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| Quote: | Originally Posted by AMG I am using my sparetime to find the right lines for our future 50-footer. It is fun but also challenging to keep our signature look and still renew it. This is the latest version... |
Lars,
You have mentioned earlier that you have some concern for the general acceptance of the design, hence the raked screens at this size (By the way the present look of the wind screen looks good). I believe you and the production team have somewhat an ambition to market the boat in foreign markets, specifically for the warmer climates; Med.
In this respect, I think you need a larger aft deck/cockpit. You may reconsider the glass extension of the saloon to be a part of the aft deck. Also, in my opinion there should be some kind of awning as a sun shade attachment. I have seen a good example on the Alloy yachts "Como", just like the awnings we use for the buildings.
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04-02-2008, 05:22 PM
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Codger, yes she has two sidedecks and will probably have a door each side.
Jannick, good that you like the design as you proposed! The props is in the right position. About a flybridge, this will not work since we want a glass door to the salon there.
And Nilo, some boats will end up in the Med. At first I was thinking of the aft door going up like an estate car hatch to provide something like an awning, but some want a sunbed out there. People also want a giant waverunner on the platform (that will destroy the aft deck). My idea with the aft glass was to create a salon that was connected with the aft deck so you just opened and added easy chairs to a clean deck. Perhaps with a retractable awning. Inside there could be an AC curtain.
The problem in this size is that people expect it to have all the facilities of a much larger yacht and I want to build a light and fast boat...
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04-04-2008, 06:48 AM
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| Lars, you're right!
It's very difficult to design a multi-climate 50-footer.
The option with large sliding doors and a retractable shade-blade (preferably hard, not soft) should be more than acceptable, rather than to "destroy" your initial "trademark" design!
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04-04-2008, 08:21 AM
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Thanks TRY, you are right about the multi-climate issue. People often see the boat at an indoor boat show first time and dream about sunny weather and calm seas. Our boats are all with a cruising speed around 40 knots and then you can not always expect to be sunbathing on the aft deck.
I still don´t know how the final boat will look like, but as soon as I settle on a profile, I´ll start with the interior and details.
I just receieved this picture from our Norwegian retailer testing out the new D29 prior to be delivered to a client. I am sure they will run the 50-footer even harder...
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04-04-2008, 11:25 AM
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Oh my gosh!
What a great shot...love it.
Very good looking and robust boat.
Hope the guy at the helm can keep up!
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