Lars Modin Design

AMG · 04-02-2005, 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by schnibbelfitz

Very nice! Good work, Lars. It is always a pleasure seeing your work.
It would be nice to see a size comparison of Victoria I and II as you did with your other designs.

Love your work!

Olli

Thanks Olli, I was thinking of the comparison too yesterday and prepared this picture...

/Lars

jmarshall · 04-02-2005, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AMG

Hi again!

I have found the missing yacht through another Forum. She is in Hong Kong under the name of Grand Cru. They say she was finished in Greece in 1996 and has had two other names as well. She is all white and here is a little pic from above. Mystery solved!

Lars, Thanks for the detective work! This appears to be the boat I was looking for. Now, I can do more research. Keep up the great work on your designs.

AMG · 04-03-2005, 07:19 AM

Since this Jon Bannenberg design (now named Grand Cru) is one of my favorites I think it can be of interest for more of his fans to see that the project seems to have been realized although I have not found out exactly how it happened.
Among the first times I saw the design was in an Italian Yacht magazine back in Jan 1992. I have now taken the liberty to show the cover and a picture where you can see that the hull of the model was blue on one side. On this picture you can also see a young Michael Breman, then marketing Baglietto and today the sales manager with Lürssen.
I also remember Camper & Nicholson showing a nice rendering in their marketing in the early 90:s. After that I saw the bare metal hull outside Baglietto and then nothing until now when she is revealed as built in Greece under the Baglietto name. As you can see on the plans and pictures she got an extended salon on main deck and also a salon aft on the bridge deck with the tenders moved to fore deck. Instead of four large cabins she now has six. Not exactly as Jons idea of "recreating a yacht of the thirties with big open spaces and an up-to-date outlook" but almost...

jmarshall · 04-04-2005, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by AMG

As you can see on the plans and pictures she got an extended salon on main deck and also a salon aft on the bridge deck with the tenders moved to fore deck. Instead of four large cabins she now has six. Not exactly as Jons idea of "recreating a yacht of the thirties with big open spaces and an up-to-date outlook" but almost...

Lars,

I agree with you that this wasn't the intent of Jon's original design. I must say I prefer the original layout over this one. It really was a "Gentleman's" Yacht, with great style, and an excellent upper-dining room. Still, it's nice to see that it was completed. I'm amazed you were able to put all the pieces together and find her all these years later. Here's to you, Lars!

newbee · 04-04-2005, 11:03 AM

Thanks for posting the comparison of Vic 1 & 2.

I have a novice's question re yacht design. My question is based on my observation that the same names seem to repeat over and over in the superyacht new-build announcements (Winch, Heywood et al).

I can understand that with yards there exist substantial natural barriers to competition so I can understand why an entrentched Lurrsen might dominate, but with design where the capital is primarily intelectual/creative I'm suprised by the lack of diversity.

If that is a fair observation, why do you think it is this way?

PS - I will understand if it is not politically wise to respond.

AMG · 04-04-2005, 11:45 AM

You are making the same observations as many designers..

There are of course many reasons, but I would think that the yacht brokers are still playing a dominating role in the selection of designers. Read what one of the major brokers say to prospective new-building clients on their website;

"Getting a select few designers to work up initial proposals allows you to develop your brief with fresh ideas, while deciding which you feel most comfortable working with. Simultaneously a XXX broker will be short-listing builders, suitable for your project ..... .... all taken into account, as are resale value and weighing up benefits of a strong ‘brand’ builder and designer versus gambling on the next ‘name’.... ... Even if your heart is set on a particular designer and builder before you talk with us, it might just ease any concerns"

To become a "next name" has less to do with design qualifications than with the ability to sell yourself. This is of course a fact not only for designers.

However, I think that today the buyers of new yachts are becoming more used to the internet when gathering information and they also know about WYSIWYG, What You See Is What You Get. In the past a naval architect was the king over the entire construction and designers were not heard of. This changed with Jon Bannenberg above all, talking of yacht design as an artform and without any previous knowledge of yacht construction he showed that a designer could change the industry.

Since then a new breed of designers have emerged, some are still better as interior designers but have built their "brand names" through the brokers and are designing the exterior as well. If you should ask me to name some good designers, I could only give you a handful that I know of, but as you say this is not a politically wise comment so I stop here...

YachtForums · 04-07-2005, 09:35 AM

Guys,

As this thread has become SO long, we will close it and start a new thread. The reasons for this are many, but mostly to make it easier for people to search for specific information, to maintain a readers interest and so dial-up users do not have to wait too long to find the info they are looking for.

Lars has started a new thread: "Lars Modin II" under the Yacht Renderings & Plans forum.

Congratulations on 10,000 views Lars!

AMG · 09-30-2005, 09:04 AM