Jon Bannenberg

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 10:46 AM

Hi,

I am a student at the International Baccalaureate at Berg (Oslo) and I'm writing an extended essay on John Bannenbergs influence on modern yacht design, and I'm trying to find information on Pre bannenberg yachts in order to compare their designs to modern superyachts. This however, turns out to be nearly impossible as there is a very limited amount of information on the subject, which brings me on to the reason as to why I'm writing this. Does anyone have information that may prove to be beneficial in my investigation or any links that might be useful? I would really appreciate all the help you can offer.

Thanks.

YachtNews · 08-08-2009, 11:35 AM

I am not sure..maybe you can check out the Bannenberg and Rowell website to see what you can find or further more contact them and see what response you get there first. However, I am sure you can find persons here who could tell you a bit. Here is the continued site with 'young' Bannenberg...

http://www.bannenbergandrowell.com

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 11:44 AM

I did check out the Bannenberg and Rowel website, but they don't seem to offer much information that is useful to me. I will however contact them and i'm sure they can be of some help.

YachtNews · 08-08-2009, 12:43 PM

Hi,

I found this but maybe you have seen as well...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Bannenberg

http://www.abeking.com/Bannenberg-Design.33.0.html?&L=1

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 12:49 PM

Yes i'm afraid i have. i've searched around quite actively, but it seems really hard to find anything specifying the design features such as raised hull lines and large oval windows etc that were typical for the Bannenberg yachts.

But thanks a lot for the effort, and if you stumble across something please be sure to notify me.

YachtNews · 08-08-2009, 12:52 PM

I have not found anything in such specificity as yet. What I am seeing is peripheral information concerning the subject thus far.

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"Jon Bannenberg founded his famous yacht design company over forty years ago and, by the time of his death in 2002, had designed over two hundred yachts, including some of the most famous and iconic creations such as Carinthia VI, Limitless, Talitha G and Rising Sun. Many designers today served their apprenticeship with Bannenberg, including Terry Disdale, Tim Heywood and Andrew Winch.

In his approach, Jon broke through many barriers associated with more traditional yacht design. He brought together previously disparate disciplines and ensured that a unified team worked together to produce innovative designs. Many of the signature elements he created have passed into the common language of contemporary yacht design, including large windows, strong geometry and bold sculptural forms.

Dickie Bannenberg and Creative Director Simon Rowell, who has a long and succesful career in hotel and residential design, are pushing ahead into a new era of innovation, guided by the high standards established by Jon Bannenberg.

They are aware of the responsibility they bear and the heritage that goes before them. As Dickie observes: " Bannenberg is a famous yachting name but one which must move forward and continue upholding the highest standards of design innovation and quality. Creating a series of interior concepts for the Timmerman 45 was a challenge but it was a clear and exciting brief and we are confident we have produced something which is stimulating, elegant and inviting."

from the Timmerman Yachts website

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You can also look at some of the boats that he would have designed. Example: 42-meter "Sheergold" built by Amels with interior and exterior design by Jon Bannenberg. Compare 52-meter "Lady Ghislaine" also designed by him. You can see the progression in design even though the two boats were delivered a year within each other. Sheergold in 1987 and Lady Ghislaine 1986. You can compare these earlier Amels designs to say a modern Feadship 72-meter"Predator". Go to the Amels website and you will see. Maybe you can compare this with say the new designs from the son Dickie and see the large differences.

K1W1 · 08-08-2009, 12:52 PM

Hi,

Are you looking for yachts that were designed before Jon Bannenberg came on the scene or his early works?

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by K1W1

Hi,

Are you looking for yachts that were designed before Jon Bannenberg came on the scene or his early works?

Well the idea was to gather enough information on yachts that were designed before Jon Bannenberg to be able to establish what design elements he introduced and from there exploring the impact those design features has had on modern yacht design. And since this essay i'm writing is supposed to be 4500 words I figure some examples are in order.

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by YachtNews

I have not found anything in such specificity as yet. What I am seeing is peripheral information concerning the subject thus far.

from the Timmerman Yachts website

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You can also look at some of the boats that he would have designed. Example: 42-meter "Sheergold" built by Amels with interior and exterior design by Jon Bannenberg. Compare 52-meter "Lady Ghislaine" also designed by him. You can see the progression in design even though the two boats were delivered a year within each other. Sheergold in 1987 and Lady Ghislaine 1986. Go to the Amels website and you will see. Maybe you can compare this with say the new designs from the son Dickie and see the large differences.

Thanks a lot, i will look into it.

FISHTIGUA · 08-08-2009, 01:36 PM

A starting point may one of Jon's early work.

Camper & Nicholson built a lovely 72' ketch 'Natacha' but was finished to Jon's unique "style".

It had great big windows that leaked like hell, the crew were frightened they would blow-in one day.

The interior had no handholds or fiddles.

Not a great success. It seems to be missing from mutal history.

YachtNews · 08-08-2009, 01:38 PM

Octavian, take a look at these pictures by this wonderful superyacht photographer. It contains pics of the interior of the Feadship "Predator". Not all of them are of Predator though but the pics have tags and captions when you place the cursor over them. I think it would do you well to study the interior of Predator as one of the latest designs from the continued studio.

http://www.yachtimages.co.uk/images.htm

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by YachtNews

Octavian, take a look at these pictures by this wonderful superyacht photographer. It contains pics of the interior of the Feadship "Predator". Not all of them are of Predator though but the pics have tags and captions when you place the cursor over them. I think it would do you well to study the interior of Predator as one of the latest designs from the continued studio.

http://www.yachtimages.co.uk/images.htm

thank you YachNews, i apreciate all the help you're giving me.

YachtNews · 08-08-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Octavian

thank you YachNews, i apreciate all the help you're giving me.

Of course a number of yachts on that site do have interiors by Bannenberg and Rowell studios. It is not just "Predator", I think I should point that out to you if you did not know.

Here is another boat by Bannenberg, the famous "Highlander"
http://www.forbeshighlander.com/

AMG · 08-08-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Octavian

Well the idea was to gather enough information on yachts that were designed before Jon Bannenberg to be able to establish what design elements he introduced and from there exploring the impact those design features has had on modern yacht design.

Hi, you are right in that the Bannenberg studio changed the design on superyachts from what it used to be, but mostly he introduced design as a competitive edge. Previously the Naval Architects were in charge of all the design, but JB and his team changed the scene.

The good thing was that he explored all kind of concepts, opening up for new ideas, some better than others. Old members of his team still use some of this styling and other designers are borrowing elements, perhaps without thinking of it.

Anyway, it is really easy to distinguish a JB design if you have followed the yacht biz over the last four decades. And people who have not, quite often think boats he has never touched must be from Bannenberg, just because they are different.

Octavian · 08-08-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by AMG

Hi, you are right in that the Bannenberg studio changed the design on superyachts from what it used to be, but mostly he introduced design as a competitive edge. Previously the Naval Architects were in charge of all the design, but JB and his team changed the scene.

The good thing was that he explored all kind of concepts, opening up for new ideas, some better than others. Old members of his team still use some of this styling and other designers are borrowing elements, perhaps without thinking of it.

Anyway, it is really easy to distinguish a JB design if you have followed the yacht biz over the last four decades. And people who have not, quite often think boats he has never touched must be from Bannenberg, just because they are different.

Thanks, i must admit that i haven't been following the yacht biz that long (about a year), but i am absolutely stunned by the magnificence of these vessels. When you say that the JB design is easy to distinguish, what design features are you thinking of? i would really appreciate it if you could take the time to elaborate on that