[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by 84far

AMG

is it possible to know which boat was copied from your folio? thanks

far

You'll find that here: http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/sp...ghlight=copied

[Marmot]

To paraphrase Wilson Mizner: If you steal from one designer it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's original.

"Art is either plagiarism or revolution."
Paul Gauguin

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by Marmot

To paraphrase Wilson Mizner: If you steal from one designer it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's original.

"Art is either plagiarism or revolution."
Paul Gauguin

Actually, I believe the quote is: "If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism. If you steal from many, it's research." It also expands the list of suspects when you're found in an alley.

[Marmot]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Actually, I believe the quote is: "If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism. If you steal from many, it's research."

Maybe that explains why I used the term "paraphrase."

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by Marmot

Maybe that explains why I used the term "paraphrase."

Paraphrase: noun, a restatement of something using different words.

[Marmot]

Is there an echo here or are you trying to make some point?

Or are you just bored and lacking a good grasp of language?

Had I known you would be so upset I would have warned you that I was going to use the intransitive verb.

Geesh man, get a life.

[BjornS]

OK guys ... or guys and gals ... be careful with the wordings. Stick to the topic and refrain from any personal mudslinging. Remember - your membership is at stake ...

Stick to the topic!

Bjorn

[BjornS]

Originally Posted by Marmot

To paraphrase Wilson Mizner: If you steal from one designer it's plagiarism; if you steal from many it's original.

"Art is either plagiarism or revolution."
Paul Gauguin

Marmot

Those words often seem true, don't they. More often (in the one vs many scenario), specially in today's environment perhaps, because the artist(s) don't know they have been copied, or they don't have the resources to do anything about it, or they don't have the will to go forward with any counter action.

But I strongly believe it is still the individual's responsibility to do one's best to create original or unique design/detail/lines/concepts even if based on "inspiration" from another's original work. It is not OK to purposefully copy a detail or a whole from another, but rather "steal" the idea(s) and make something new and fresh from the idea.

Of course - some design similies may just be accidental 'copies' since often ideas may be the influences of current/past times or fashions. But sometimes individuals seem to lack the pure effort it takes to create unique works by instead lazily and openly stealing someone elses elements - like in the case of AMG vs "down-under".

Designing is not just fun ... it is also a serious moral and legal responsibility. However, there are always those few unscrupulous ones who give no thought about rights and intellectual property at all.

Bjorn

[AMG]

I have had several builders from a certain Far East country asking me for proposals in the past. I have supplied all of them with the same design since I suspected they might steal it. I have not heard from any of them and look forward to see two or three clones coming out at the same time...

That would be worth a laugh, wouldn´t it...

[BjornS]

Originally Posted by Blarp

You might have the best design in the world hidden in your laptop but it is doing absolutely no good gathering dust in there. ....
..... So I would recomend specific targeting before an online release.
......just go to HQ, thats easy to find.
Anyway, posting designs on forums is probably not going to get it noticed by very many clients or employers. If it was good work, you would only get a bunch of other designers crawing over it anyway which is of little benefit to you personally.
B

Blarp

I have always thought direct targeting/marketing would be the way to go. I have already tried it by approaching builders and a few designers at trade shows. The builders general consensus were that they have very little clout over who the client/owner will pick as a designer, but they are happy to keep your name on file. Designers are - well - your business competition. And it may also be that owners go with whomever is fashionable or popular at the time, or they get referrals from other owners.

My personal beef is how to find the right door(s) and direct connection(s) to potential owners without having to publish or rely only on the www. In the end - the owners are the only ones making the decisions whether they like your work or not, and they need to see your work first hand to make those decisions.

Owners may also struggle to find new and potential great talent and concepts that have not been actively published in print or on the www.

Now --- YOU --- the independent designers --- lurking and reading this thread, who may have been in this situation before, and who already have made your first contact "catching" an owner and making 'that' deal for a superyacht or similar --- do you have a story or two to relay to this community about your experiences?????

Bjorn

[Marmot]

Originally Posted by BjornS

But I strongly believe it is still the individual's responsibility to do one's best to create original or unique design/detail/lines/concepts even if based on "inspiration" from another's original work. It is not OK to purposefully copy a detail or a whole from another, but rather "steal" the idea(s) and make something new and fresh from the idea.

Well, like music or a recipe, until someone experiences the product it doesn't exist and isn't worth anything so you have to put it out there and take the risk.

Remember the old saying, form follows function? As much as modern yacht design stretches the connection, it remains true. All boats have a bow and a stern or three, need lights in certain places and a few windows.

While you might be able to copyright the renderings you publish, unless someone uses that specific graphic without making substantial changes you really can't claim your idea was stolen, can you?

How many parents of small children felt they had the right to sue Jackson Pollack for stealing the idea to throw paint on a wall or the floor? A computer rendering of a visionary yacht is a long way from cutting metal and until a unique expression of the designer's art becomes a trademark ala the grill on a Rolls, it's just another bit of computer graphics.

[BjornS]

Originally Posted by AMG

I have had several builders from a certain Far East country asking me for proposals in the past. I have supplied all of them with the same design since I suspected they might steal it. I have not heard from any of them and look forward to see two or three clones coming out at the same time...

That would be worth a laugh, wouldn´t it...

Lars ...... you are a brave northern soul for "trusting" your work to the far east connection. I see you are not holding your breath over it, but still. I have friends from and in that region, and I am constantly being told by them -- unless you look and speak local, they will not easily do business with you --- if at all. Period. Many outsiders find local representatives to be the front person to even be able to "open" the door.

Also, in the area you are referring to, there is enormous distrust over 'Guai Lo' = people like you and me. And knowing what regard there is over copyrights and related protection over there, I must say again - you are a seriously brave man.

Bjorn

[AMG]

Bjorn, I have been working with the far east for many years, designing other stuff, and earned a lot of respect. But of course there are "cousins" making copies of all that is selling, so you have to move fast and have the advantage of getting a better price before the copies are out...

When it comes to copying yacht designs, I wouldn´t bank on Marmot´s advice...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AMG

I have had several builders from a certain Far East country asking me for proposals in the past. I have supplied all of them with the same design since I suspected they might steal it. I have not heard from any of them and look forward to see two or three clones coming out at the same time...

That would be worth a laugh, wouldn´t it...

Wouldn't a few blatant copies just end up being money in the bank for you?

Sure, the legal proceedings could take years...

[AMG]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Wouldn't a few blatant copies just end up being money in the bank for you?

Sure, the legal proceedings could take years...

I don´t care in this case, I just wish to see their faces when launching the same design unaware of each other. If it happened.