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Old 03-01-2009, 11:30 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Does this mean I can no longer wear my whaleskin coat with my panda scarf and baby seal boots while hunting white rhinos?
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No, this is ok as long as you are outside the 200 mile economic zone and you don't bring those items back into the US with you when you return. :-)
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Old 03-02-2009, 01:51 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Marmot, but I believe the range we must keep clear of a Whale in US waters is 500 feet, and other marine mammals is 300 ft.

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My high school nemisis/friend made a few dozen bumper stickers that he handed out at UC Santa Cruz saying:
NUKE THE GAY WHALES!
Of course, those were the three issues that dominated the news that year.

He thought he was such a rebel. He should have just spiked his hair or got an ear ring like the rest of us.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:09 AM   #33 (permalink)
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This should give some guidance : http://www.whalecenter.org/conservation/wwrules.htm
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Old 03-02-2009, 09:07 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I think it depends on what you are shooting with. I know that a good old fashioned Springfield '03 with open sights is a good Orca stopper up to 500 yards. That keeps the boat out of the prohibited zone.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Are we not allowing here for the superior intelligence of the Leviathon? Perhaps he (she to be politically correct but with noted objection) chose to engage the surface-dancing intruder to his (her, but this makes no sense) lair. He (she) may still be about!
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Well, if so then after the boat is fixed they can follow Ahab's lead and:

"... follow him around the Horn, and around the Norway maelstrom, and around perdition's flames before I give him up."
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Old 03-03-2009, 09:42 AM   #37 (permalink)
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My high school nemisis/friend made a few dozen bumper stickers that he handed out at UC Santa Cruz saying:
NUKE THE GAY WHALES!
Of course, those were the three issues that dominated the news that year.

He thought he was such a rebel. He should have just spiked his hair or got an ear ring like the rest of us.
Up in New England we made PAVE THE BAY bumper stickers. It worked for Narraganset and Buzzard's.
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Old 03-03-2009, 11:28 AM   #38 (permalink)
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After such an ordeal, wouldn't it be far safer to remain on land? But, I suppose, just like Ishmael, many of us suffer from the same affliction and can relate to Ishmael's symptoms:

"Whenever I find myself growing grim about the mouth; whenever it is a damp, drizzly November in my soul; whenever I find myself involuntarily pausing before coffin warehouses, and bringing up the rear of every funeral I meet; and especially whenever my hypos get such an upper hand of me, that it requires a strong moral principle to prevent me from deliberately stepping into the street, and methodically knocking people's hats off--then, I account it high time to get to sea as soon as I can.

For me, my symptoms are a tendency to incessantly pick on local politicians. I actually thought it would make me feel better when I made them cry. Oh well.
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Old 03-25-2009, 09:13 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Hi all,
I'd like to reply to the, actually, two subjects of present discussion.

The first that came in is about the amount of delamination this boat has suffered. What has not been pointed out is the very high proportion of UD (uni-directional) reinforcement, on this foam cored boat. This is, of course, a very performing way to build in terms of stiffness/ weight ratio, but one of the most vulnerable in case of severe and ample deformation since if will result, as is the case there, in massive delamination extending far further what would have happened with other techniques. Cold molded wood on laminated backbones would have been the least vulnerable, unless simply spitting in two halves!!!
Anyway: the shock was colossal, and any boat would have suffered extensive damages. The people aboard were lucky this boat was still quite a solid one, and we are all happy they came back home safe!

The other one is the whale.
We are (nearly) all sorry and worried about what happened to the whale. Saying that she (or he?) "knew" that the boat was there and therefore feeling "that's her fault!" is plain wrong. Whales - and orcas - are known for having attacked some boats deliberately, but only slow ones. There is no example of such suicidal action as "attacking" or deliberately going on collision course on one going at 22 knots!

They had seen whales all morning. OK, but how long ago? how far? Were they still in this area with plenty of them? If yes, and knowing it: then the skipper seems to have been going at a too high speed. Otherwise...????

The consideration whether it was in an area under such or such jurisdiction seems strange to me: is the whale intending to make a court case?
In whichever area, whatever the laws of this or that country, or the lack thereof: it is one's sense of responsibility that matters, not whether his action is legal / illegal.

Anyway: what we, whale lovers, should not forget is that, although sorry for this one whale and ready to accuse the skipper for his irresponsibility (and he, effectively, does not seem to have cared a ****, at least in his report of what did happen: his 30 years of notes were more important!), there are much bigger whale killers that should attract all our attention: the fast ferries.

The Hawaii Express is one of those. This huge, super fast, sharp bows wave piercer goes at twice the speed of the boat we're talking about, and this KNOWINGLY right through a whale reserve! The Fast ferries in the Mediterranean go between Corsica and France mainland also right through an area where whales are seen at almost every passage during spring, and they DO hit them! Large modern ships, with a 9 meter diameter propeller, 80,000 KW, and traveling at twenty knots or over, like Emma Maersk that takes four days between China and US right through whale areas, aren't those that we should accuse for their danger?

It is surely not this fisherman !
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This is totally out of line, were you there? How do you know what their situation was or why they were moving from that spot in the first place. How do you know it was a whale breeding area? Maybe the whales were concentrated in a spot a mile or two away off to the side and this was a stray whale. They were obviously moving at 22 knots and not there normal 35 knot cruise. So they obviously slowed down to be prudent.

In that book where the guy and his wife were lost at sea for 58 days (I forgot the name and it was sometime around 58 days that they floated around in a liferaft in the Pacific), a whale kept hitting their sailboat while they were at sail doing 5 knots several times until it totally breeched the hull. WHales do things like this sometimes. Who knows why it happened. I'm sure the Whale knew the boat was there when it came up.

I agree with you and I don't understand why some people, especially the tofu/yoga/granola variety, relentlessly demonize man's pursuit of the ocean. Some people can make victims out of anything... even 50 ton beasts.

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This guy obviously learned nothing in his 30 years of boating and has little respect for his environment.
A sensitive whale breeding area that he’s aware of, and they blast through at 22 knots.
Personally, I would hope his boat gets confiscated and he gets a big fat fine.
Shouldn't repairing that hull be enough of a monetary punishment? I guarantee you that boat isn't going to go whale chasing any more! Why should his boat be confiscated? For making a mistake? You think the owner asked for $tens$of$thousands$ in hull repairs?
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I agree with you and I don't understand why some people, especially the tofu/yoga/granola variety, relentlessly demonize man's pursuit of the ocean. Some people can make victims out of anything... even 50 ton beasts.
You're absolutely right. Who needs those things anyway. You can't make money off them; they get in the way of boats and these regulations cut into the fun of having a fast boat. We can always show our grand-kids pictures of them and have them read Moby Dick if the subject ever comes up. Heck, elephants and lions are almost gone and who's going to miss them. We don't miss the wholly mammoth do we.
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You're absolutely right. Who needs those things anyway. You can't make money off them; they get in the way of boats and these regulations cut into the fun of having a fast boat. We can always show our grand-kids pictures of them and have them read Moby Dick if the subject ever comes up. Heck, elephants and lions are almost gone and who's going to miss them. We don't miss the wholly mammoth do we.
Some people just have decades of government environmental propaganda drilled into their heads, and that's all they know! I get tired of regurgitated environmental babble, and I'm younger than most of you on here. Just remember, the water was clearer before environmental laws existed. Waters have only become murky "post-1970's regulation", which left loopholes for municipalities to spew millions of gallons of sewage offshore while arresting, fining, and impounding boats of citizens for "gray water" infractions. Gimme a break!

Don't even get me started on Manatees. They are non-native to South Florida's waterways - something that the hippie environmentalist lobby always conveniently forgets to mention.
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Some people just have decades of government environmental propaganda drilled into their heads, and that's all they know! I get tired of regurgitated environmental babble, and I'm younger than most of you on here. Just remember, the water was clearer before environmental laws existed. Waters have only become murky "post-1970's regulation", which left loopholes for municipalities to spew millions of gallons of sewage offshore while arresting, fining, and impounding boats of citizens for "gray water" infractions. Gimme a break!

Don't even get me started on Manatees. They are non-native to South Florida's waterways - something that the hippie environmentalist lobby always conveniently forgets to mention.
I see you never went swimming in the Hudson River back in the 60's...or then again, maybe you did.
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I see you never went swimming in the Hudson River back in the 60's...or then again, maybe you did.
Of course you pick the dirtiest place on Earth to contradict me... nice.
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I see you never went swimming in the Hudson River back in the 60's...or then again, maybe you did.
I wouldn't swim there now.

Whales are dangerous and don't like boats!
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