[Ken Bracewell]

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

The slip I've been using this year for the 50 is really for a 40 or 45 with the pilings 30' from the dock. We have about 60' across the marina (bow to bow), a 4kt + current just off the bow and whatever wind. I do it cleanly because that's my job, but my heart rate is up until my quarters are within those pilings.

Having the weight of a two anchors and chain would do quite a bit to help counteract that wind and current at your slip when backing in. Again, I find that the pilings are just in the way; fenders (two sets if you count the boat you're laying next to) have more give than pilings if you should happen to touch.

Originally Posted by NYCAP123

Everywhere else the big boys lay side to or have pilings. It just seems like the euro marinas aren't putting in an effort to accommodate.

It would seem that the European marinas are being more accommodating than the US since they are squeezing appr. 5 times as many boats into the same amount of frontage. I was one of the first to petition Nantucket to allow Med-Mooring. I've also Med-Moored in Provincetown, Boston, and a couple of places in Maine.


Perhaps the moderators should move this portion of the discussion to the Thread which relates to Med-Mooring.

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by K1W1

Hi,

NYCAP- Can I suggest you put in a season or three in the Med working on a boat before making such comments?

Too old for that, but thanks. No insult intended in the comment though. It's just that it seems such a logical thing to do, and these boats are spending such serious coin that you'd think the marinas would step up. Sometimes marinas take the attitude that, since they're full the way it is, why should they maybe lose a slip to make things easier for the yachts. I saw that in two marinas I managed and one even when out of there way to inconvenience their customers simply because they could. The actual words used were "---- the customer". It's a concept I just don't understand.
Coming in on the anchor is necessary in several locations but once the quarters are between pilings things can slow down.

[Pascal]

LOL... leave it to a New Yorker to tell the rest of the world how to manage their marinas... sorry, NYCAP, that was too good to pass!

seriously, i understand that not using pilings allows them more flexibility, what i dont' understand is why dont' they have moorings in place instead of having to rely on anchors, divers, etc... the odds of tangling up, especially with two anchors are huge. I can see how mooring balls coudl end up getting caught in a prop once in a while but still easier. A few years back some of the marinas in St Maarten used moorings.

that said, i'll confess that it's been a while since i've have to med moor and that was with smaller boats (st Barth), although i did med moor my hatt once, at No Name Harbor here in Miami.

Considering the skill level of the typical boat driver in the US, it's a blessing that Med Mooring isn't used, insurer adjusters woudl become very busy.

I think North Cove only med moor the very large boats in the first slip or so. everything else, you just tie alongside the floaters.

[NYCAP123]

LOL... leave it to a New Yorker to tell the rest of the world how to manage their marinas... sorry, NYCAP, that was too good to pass

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That's OK Pascal. It's absolutely true. We don't hold back.

I think North Cove only med moor the very large boats in the first slip or so. everything else, you just tie alongside the floaters.

Actually, it's mostly just the America's Cup type boats that use it as home port. My hat's off to them. Between the wind and the wakes that funnel in there it's no easy task.

Considering the skill level of the typical boat driver in the US, it's a blessing that Med Mooring isn't used, insurer adjusters would become very busy.

That skill level isn't limited to Americans. I once worked for a Greek who bought a 46 Azimut as a first boat. Didn't have a clue and couldn't handle the boat so he sold it and bought a 62. (I've also had French, Canadian, Italian, British, Mid-Eastern, etc. with similar skill levels so PLEASE, nobody get insulted).

[AMG]

Originally Posted by Pascal

...what i dont' understand is why dont' they have moorings in place instead of having to rely on anchors, divers, etc...

Many Med ports have mooring lines in place, but not for the big yachts in Monaco, as one day it is a 150´and the next a 300´in the same position.

But I have never heard anyone complaining about Med moorings in the Med, we are used to it and is doing it all the time, usually without even rubbing the fenders...

[Pascal]

Originally Posted by AMG

Many Med ports have mooring lines in place, but not for the big yachts in Monaco, as one day it is a 150´and the next a 300´in the same position.

But I have never heard anyone complaining about Med moorings in the Med, we are used to it and is doing it all the time, usually without even rubbing the fenders...

my point... the skill levels are different..

ever watched an 80ish foot charter boat with "professional" crew having trouble anchoring in calm weather? pretty common around here...

so if they can't anchor with plenty of room, imagine these clowns med mooring...

[C4ENG]

I saw the boat being repaired in Rybovich Oct. 08. They had to remove most of the teak deck and then cut out a large part of the aft deck and stern transom while on the hard to replace. The damage was much more impressive looking while in the yard.

The Capt was not fired for the incident. From what I heard from others at the time, he did not make up any excuses either for the incident, he simply admitted "Yeah I F***ed up".

Gotta respect that..

[Blair]

Originally Posted by AMG

Many Med ports have mooring lines in place, but not for the big yachts in Monaco, as one day it is a 150´and the next a 300´in the same position.

But I have never heard anyone complaining about Med moorings in the Med, we are used to it and is doing it all the time, usually without even rubbing the fenders...

I see in Auckland at the Viaduct Basin the marina owners provide their RIBs to assist med mooring vessels and it seems to work OK. Problem of high cross winds is typical. Did observe a RIB deliberately throwing itself between Jim Clark's superyacht and a careering new comer going astern at an angle into the adjacent spot to the effect that the RIB itself became the main fender. The boatman looked somewhat freaked as his beam was compressed alarmingly but it worked! Does suggest that using a RIB as a pusher tug when conditions are dodgy has benefits - is this common?

[YachtNews]

Originally Posted by Blair

Did observe a RIB deliberately throwing itself between Jim Clark's superyacht and a careering new comer going astern at an angle into the adjacent spot to the effect that the RIB itself became the main fender.

This is "Athena" you are talking about Blair?

[Blair]

Originally Posted by YachtNews

This is "Athena" you are talking about Blair?

Was during the first local America's Cup defence a number of years ago so I am fairly sure it was his previous sailing yacht - name escapes me.

[Capt. Bill11]

Originally Posted by Pascal

my point... the skill levels are different..

ever watched an 80ish foot charter boat with "professional" crew having trouble anchoring in calm weather? pretty common around here...

so if they can't anchor with plenty of room, imagine these clowns med mooring...

"pretty common", really?

Maybe it's a Miami day boat charter thing.

But most of the big boat captains and crews I see on a regular basis, seem to know their stuff. And I don't think they'd have to hard a time getting the hang of Med mooring.

[Pascal]

it's a Miami thing i guess, pretty pathetic. 3 attempts to to get the hook to set in a spot which i know gurantees a set on the first try.

of course, when you use about 3:1...

another time, we saw an even larger boat, drag 1/2 a mile 3 times, they never got a set.

and then one that dragged into us...

and ...

it's actaully very entertaining down here! but if those clowns had to med moor? now that would become instant YouTube classic!

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Blair

Was during the first local America's Cup defence a number of years ago so I am fairly sure it was his previous sailing yacht - name escapes me.

I believe his previous yacht was Hyperion.

[Blair]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I believe his previous yacht was Hyperion.

Yep - I am sure you're right. It was a technological miracle vessel at the time. Was capable, in theory, of remote operation of its sailing systems etc. using a computer on the other side of the world as I recall.

[NYCAP123]

Originally Posted by C4ENG

I saw the boat being repaired in Rybovich Oct. 08. They had to remove most of the teak deck and then cut out a large part of the aft deck and stern transom while on the hard to replace. The damage was much more impressive looking while in the yard.

The Capt was not fired for the incident. From what I heard from others at the time, he did not make up any excuses either for the incident, he simply admitted "Yeah I F***ed up".

Gotta respect that..

I'm sure he's an excellant captain. He wouldn't be captaining a yacht like that if he weren't. It happens. It just get's more embarrasing and expensive the bigger the boat. Sounds like for the price of those repairs though at least a couple of dolphins could be installed 50 or 100' out so he could idle in. Sure these captains are used to it and good at it, but who needs another gray hair. Med-moor is fine, but one mishap or one guy that doesn't have quite enough fenders out or in the right place and a lot of money gets spent when it's avoidable.