[Ju52]

Okay Okay

come back to air-drives.

I posted the picture because its relation to our discussion.

The machine brings 400HP over one day ( 8 hours) under 6 bar. (OK - compressed steam).

If we go to 300bar - we come back to factor 50 .. then multiply 6 hours with 50 to fit a passagemaker time to cross a ocean.

But this steam storage is only for 6 bar, how it must constructed for 300bar?
What about the weight (20 tons?) ... and the needed volume ...

OK thats will work for small vessels for short times.

have a nice weekend

[MaxResolution]

It is important to reference the image of the steam locomotive. To travel a distance it requires additional fuel. The fuel to weight ratio is very little. She requires just a few sticks of wood/calories per mile/km. It is the steam which is so efficient, and has proven to be so on boats.

But, the Rockefeller/Rothchilds said; these numbers are not good enough! To travel, you must use Gas, and Oil... "Our Oil!" ..."and Saudi Oil!" Some of us thought, huumm, if that is the case, I'd rather walk.

That's why I'm proud to see Try's bunch utilize a continuous, low-pressure compressed 'air motor.' It is superb for local travel, but the current range is not unlike an automobile. Air simply will not compress all that much.

This machine (link) requires 7lbs of -input pressure- to generate enormous -expansion- of water. This, in-turn, can drive a terrific turbine, at relatively low torque. Again, the MAIN issue is transferring the energy and overcoming the friction. The 'reciprocating' element, as I see it, can be moved upstream of that reaction, not downstream, thus the 'ram-pump' continuous pressure generator at the inlet. With this configuration, we also get the potential for enormous electric generation with a flywheel at the drive-stage which also serves as a gyro-stabilizer. http://rexresearch.com/schaeffe/schaeffe.htm

Built of steel, I'm needing around 3,000lbs of vehicle weight. I don't mind this, provided the efficiency of the drive-trane, since it is inherently a -displacement- motor arrangement.

[TRY]

Hi everyone,

I was what they call "out of station" for a few days.
On Monday afternoon CET will the press release be online, due to stringent clauses in the agreement we signed, # 46.
Let's say 5PM,
CU all

[MaxResolution]

Let me see, how's this for a binding contract caluse:

"Under no circumstance shall the parties release any controversial new designs in the marketplace BEFORE the Superboul."

...Whew, for a minute I was afraid this realese would fall beneath the fold. You never know, Prince may just show his breasts LIVE on TV, and with all the gossip, the weekend and such, the world may never know.

Salut! Here's to your Christening Toast!

-Cheers, ...Mates, now pass the **** Doritos.

[TRY]

We can now officially announce the signature of our 46th licence agreement for the compressed-air technology with the Tata Group of India.
Tata has acquired the exclusive rights and licence to manufacture and market the full range of applications within the Indian territory.

Before all this contract brings a global recognition of the MDI technology!

Also go to www.mdi.lu and/or www. and http://www.tatamotors.com

[MaxResolution]

Tah! = There you have it!

Ta-Ta = Eat your hearts out!

Rat-a-tat-tat- tah-ta-dah = Too bad, yanks,-
here's another manufacturing job that an American was "unwilling" to do.

[The Reverend]

What are the details of this agreement will they actually manufacture anything?
I have spent some time checking this project and in MHO the numbers do not add up!
I have yet to see anything special about what is basically an air compressor running in reverse with a slightly unusual crank and some electronics.

If we could turn some of the hot air we have seen generated about this machine into energy then we would really have something worth talking about.

[TSI AV]

Hi, everyone.

Sorry, TRY, I had to use one of Your pictures ...
So, let's think ...


1. Compressed air is stored in vessel, marked as 1. As mentioned, 300 bars.
2. Then it is led through air reducer (mark 2). I assume, that You reduce it till 30-35 bars...
3. Then, through the solenoid (mark 3). It can be of a directional or propotional action. I think, propotional (to regulate air flow).
Guys, this is "right pedal" (in cars).
Or, another version, this is a powerful heater...
4. Position 4. Probably there are two pistons on one connecting rod ?
But for sure, double expansion is used (cylinders have different diameters).
5. Pos. 5. Honestly, I am not sure. It can be a temperature sensor or a shaft's angle magnetic detector ?
6. Positions 6. Wow. This motor has multiple PTO shafts. Or, or ..... may be even this is a motor without conrod (in this case all these wheels are used for kinematic schema).....? Or, (again) or, such kinematic is used to "delay"
pistons at TDC... ?
7. Very interesting "piece". Rotating damper ? Air vane motor ? Cooler / fan ?

8. And whole unit is placed on a heater (that white box) ?

Guys, sorry for too many ORs, MAY BEs, PROBABLYs.

TRY, please confirm / decline my expectations...

P.S. For those, who still did not get it...
If You have ever seen diesel engine, starting on compressed air ?
Imagine, that there is a lot of compressed air, what is efficiently used...
But diesel engine will not have fuel system at all. It will turn only on air...

But some problems to solve:
1. Compressing the air. Solved. (Use ENVIROMENTALY clean electricity to drive compressors).
2. Storage of big amounts of compressed air with such pressure (300 bars).
(That is why TRY reports us "usage in not big applications). Partially solved.
3. Effective usage of compressed air. TRY already mentioned some ways to do so. Well, ideas are still welcome !

TRY, please reply...

Best regards,
Andrei

[MaxResolution]

I don't want to say too much, but this thing looks suspiciously like a conventional motor. Why all the bother?

Maybe I should practice reverse engineering, revisit that book; "In search of excellence." ...Book a bloody trip on "the Hovercraft," ...or 'Try' out for a role on "the Apprentice." Surely I've missed my calling.

[MaxResolution]

Can I interest you in an all sealed, stainless construction, ultra-light, vibrationless, low-noise, multi in-line, hot-swapable, direct-drive, 10-year *replacement* guaranteed, infinitately scalable solution?

http://www.engineair.com.au/airmotor.htm
(Sorry, I can't attach images from this mac, because the differences are astounding.)

[K1W1]

Hi,

MaxRes- You posted that link in Post #57, What's changed since you first posted it?

Good Questions Andrei, There are more unanswered than answered questions here with this what another poster refers to as "miracle" we see displayed before us.TRY as he has said twice in this thread is a shareholder in the company that builds these, with this statement I can only assume he is not a member of the design or engineering team. This may be one reason why he doesn't answer many of the questions posed, preferring to post another promotional item instead.

[The Reverend]

There is some good info on air engines here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_engine

Please also check the talk page as there are some further valid comments

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Air_engine

[MaxResolution]

What's changed? My perspective. Actually I was hoping to insert that image because not everyone will click an outbound link, and the comparison is astounding. Here I thought I was dealing with the stone age, and yet I use this as an exlimplary study in -basic- mechanics. Why, it still needs that silly hose attached.

Wiki is lots of fun, but who has the time to scour the World Book. I've got 250 unchecked links on the free energy forums I need to attend to first, not to mention all the Mfg. boat sites.

[K1W1]

Hi,

MaxRes- Here are a few images off the site so everyone who wants to can see if they are interestd enough to click the links you provided.

[TRY]

I've been very busy lately with our new venture, but I promise to reply to all (interesting) questions and remarks before the end of this weekend.