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Fiberglass Fuel Tank Conversion Back to Water Tank

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  1. QCom

    QCom New Member

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    My boat has a fiberglass water/fuel tank (300 gallons) that has been used as a fuel tank for 7 years by the previous owner. I would like to convert it back to a water tank.

    How do I get the tank clean and the water not tasting or smelling of diesel? The tank has no access ports. Once drained of diesel, what would you put in the tank to clean it?
  2. dennismc

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    I would not convert it back, was designed and used for fuel, keep it that way or perhaps suffer a lot of sickness..
  3. QCom

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    Should have mentioned the tank are vinylester/fiberglass structural and integral tanks designed to be either water or fuel...
  4. Old Phart

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    The operative word is or.

    Like dead or alive.

    If alive, easy to become dead.

    Once dead, difficult to become alive, again.
  5. Capt Ralph

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    We may need to involve a chemist here. After all the free fuel is removed, how toxic is the skin of the cell when we start consuming potable water?

    Vinylester surface is not that hard or imperious. I would prefer to keep it as fuel or ballast. If potable water is a concern, bladder in this tank, another new tank installation or a water maker (RO) to replenish your existing tankage for potable water needs.
  6. CaptTom

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    Q,
    Invest in a new tank, bladder or other means where you will not be storing potable water near or in a container that stored diesel for 7 years. Here's a statement from the web: International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC): Group 2B, Possibly carcinogenic to humans (Marine diesel fuel) or Group 3, Not classifiable as to carcinogenicity to humans [Distillate (light) diesel fuels]

    More info: Potential Symptoms: Irritation of eyes, skin, respiratory tract; dizziness, headache, nausea; chemical pneumonitis (from aspiration of liquid); dry, red skin; irritant contact dermatitis; eye redness, pain

    Health Effects: Irritation-Eyes---Mild (HE-16); Kidney damage (HE3), Potential lung damage (HE-10); Suspected carcinogen (Marine diesel fuel) (HE2)

    Affected Organs: Eyes, skin, kidneys

    Not that trace amounts would cause any of this, but why take a chance with yourself, family and /or friends.

    I wouldn't do it, period.
  7. olderboater

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    It would not matter what was done, how many reassurances, who did it, or anything else, there is no way I could ever knowingly drink or even bathe in water that I knew was from a container which once held fuel. I would pursue any different avenue. Do you have another water tank currently of any type? I'd give up anything else. I'd even put a bladder on deck or where a locker is now or under the bed or somewhere.
  8. Capt Ralph

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    no stuff

    On the other hand
    The after black water tank on an aluminum boat (I once managed) was converted to an extra after potable water tankage (long before I was on site) and nobody knew of, died or complained.
    When I learned of this, I really appreciated the forward crew cabin (my cabin) and forward factory freshwater tankage. That forward cabin suddenly looked larger and nicer than ever before.
  9. Capt J

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    Aluminum is not porous, and a sewage tank that was sterilized properly, knows no difference as long as you change all the lines and everythi. Fiberglass that held fuel is a totally different story and I would never trust it for freshwater usage......

    Aside from that, I wouldn't drink water that came out of ANY boat's freshwater tank......Bathe in it yes, drink it never.
  10. olderboater

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    Well, we only drink bottled water so that part is easy. But washing dishes, cooking, and then bathing. You're right on two differences, aluminum versus fiberglass and black water versus fuel. Both are significant. Although I still wouldn't do the black water to fresh water routine, there are actually means to sterilize the aluminum tank in that case. There are none I would trust to treat fiberglass or to remove the fuel impact.

    Taking shortcuts that potentially impact your health, your family's health and your friends' health just are not something I'd ever consider.
  11. QCom

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    The Boat has a watermaker but will be cruising for the next 3-4 years on inland rivers (Ohio, Tennessee, Cumberland) which I assume is not clean enough for use in a watermaker.

    What about using the tank for water to wash down the boat?
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    If your cruising some inland waters, you may need a grey water tank.
    If your inland and washing the boat, I would think you can use the inland water.

    Water makers can run on fresh water, just not polluted fresh / inland water.

    Boat wash water? You need 700 gallons of water to wash the boat?

    Imagine the surface area of that tank. Including baffles, several square feet of fiberglass soaked in diesel fuel. Years of diesel poop on the tank bottom. That tank will be releasing old fuel for years.
    You ever notice how large of a sheen one drop of fuel makes? So, a year from now, your rinsing the boat and your tank skin releases a drop of fuel. You just poured oil on your clean boat and ticked off your neighbors (&DNR) with the new sheen on the water.

    If you have to use that tank for water, replace it or bladder it.
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    The rivers you mentioned are the ones that every city along them gets their water from. Obviously they have huge treatment centers and personally I wouldn't drink it, but I'd use my watermaker for everything else.
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    Yeah, you can use your watermaker on inland rivers if they're not polluted with oil or whathaveyou. You have to run the high pressure very low, like 100 PSI with freshwater. Get the watermaker going and just keep the pressure just high enough to make it's rated output.....if its 50 gph, keep it at 50gph. The output will keep rising as it cleans out the membranes the first couple of times you use it, so you'll have to keep an eye on the high pressure for a while......but if you set it to around 100psi you should be ok.

    I'd be more concerned about having enough fuel in those places than water.....Diesel stops that can accomodate a large boat are few and far between.
  15. QCom

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    Ok, you are so right, the baffles and the diesel poop persuaded me to abandon the fuel to water tank conversion especially if we can actually make the watermaker work with river water....

    Guess Ill just be happy with lots of fuel capacity and maybe plumb the deck washdown to include a valve so I can switch to the sea-chest when the river is clean not brown (during high water)....

    Thx
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    Why would you have to wash the boat off in rivers anyways? There's no salt or anything to rinse off......maybe a little soap and water to wash the soot off the transom. Are you never going to stay in marina's where you can fill up the freshwater tank?
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    If you already have some kind of grey water tank, a circular conversion fuel->grey, grey->white might make some sense.
    But honestly, fuel-soaked fiberglass won't make a good clean water tank.
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    Well depends if you are running a military or navy... don't matter done all the time. The crew or troops gets sick just get rid of them and get new... . Actually, most militaries used fuel tanks for portable water too... with not much effort other than draining. It may not be very good or lead to a long life or someone will get sick every once in awhile... no one cares. Much of the time these are fabric reinforced rubber tanks... worse than your fiberglass situation.

    Its like drinking out of some stock pond or watering hole in some third world country... done all the time...

    I have drank out of both... not pleasant but if you are thirsty enough you will. Never got sick but some have and got unpleasant cases of parasites too. But then some worms probably long ago eat the better parts of my brain anyway...

    Seriously, the water can be made potable but will always have an unpleasant taste.
  19. HTMO9

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    Dual use of fuel tanks

    The US Army did exactly that during the first Iraq war. Fuel trucks for kerosin and diesel were transporting potable water, when not needed for fuel supply. And these trucks were only rudimentarily cleaned, if at all. But the Army has learned her lesson the bad way. Hundreds of soldiers became seriously ill because of carbon hydrogen poisoning. A lot of veterans are still suffering from Nerve Diseases and other very bad things. To my knowledge, not only a few died because of this procedure.

    Never ever use tanks both for fuel of any kind, like Petrol, Diesel or Kerosin, also for potable water, regardless of tank material (GRP, metal or rubber). As rule of thumb, 1 liter of fuel / oil poisons 1.000.000 liter of water. Even if you dont drink it, your are still harming the enviroment.

    If you have to use a fuel tank for some odd reason as a ballast tank, when empty of fuel, or visa versa, a ballast tank as a range extender, place a bladder tank into the permanent tank. When the outer fluid is used up, you can fill up the bladder and never mix two fluids, which do not belong together.