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Old 07-24-2006, 04:51 AM   #1
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New Yacht Design or a Copy?

As most designers I am inspired from what I see in other designs. It may be a mast, a window or a stern that I can transform to fit with my own designs. We all know this and we all do this, often without even thinking of it. It is part of the evolution of design that is always present.

I have also seen some elements from my own designs repeated by others and have found it more flattering than disturbing.

But when I now found a design that almost entirely looks like my Bling project, I got a little confused. It is shorter and with one deck less, but I wonder what my client would say if this Australian yacht will be built?

What do you say, is this a design of it´s own or a copy of mine?

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Old 07-24-2006, 06:32 AM   #2
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hm..
i really see what you mean and i agree to your opinion, its almost a copy.
but i don't think they would copy a hole ship...
i think they took a lot of parts from your design and integrated it into their design.
there's almost no difference between the designs, why i would ask the producer or designer of the other yacht, if they copied some parts!

the three windows on the side look a lot like "Bling"!

also the stern is a lot like yours.

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Old 07-24-2006, 09:36 AM   #3
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Copy

Yes a definite copy,

the design elements them selves are fairly generic but the way they are all combined is definitely not original.

Specifically The 3 Windows on the lower deck the , One large side window one deck above, and the fore and aft windows on that same deck are identical.

I really hope this was a one in a million chance that they are the same, and not a real copy.

I have fallen victim to that, as I have once drawn out a sketch only to see somthing very similar hit the water months later, perhaps I had seen it in some magazine/forum but just not counsciously.

Originallity is key to me, that how we develop and move forwards.
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Hi,

The curved top of the sun deck, the window number and arrangement and the rake of the stern look very similar to your design. So much so I would say it's not an accidental or incidence.
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:16 AM   #5
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I really hope this was a one in a million chance that they are the same, and not a real copy.

I agree, but it is hard to believe. The red lines are telling us that the center part is the same and the ellipse on the top roof is showing where this semi-open/semi-glassed roof also seems to be an exact copy.

Together with all the other lines it can not be a coincidence...
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Old 07-24-2006, 10:29 AM   #6
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There seems to be familiar features like in any modern design, but I don't think one would mistaken one for the other sailing on the horizon.
Most of the modern and futuristic designs seem to follow a trend that comes from the same school of thought. With radical exceptions like: Crystal Ball, Sigma, Sultan to name a few.
If you look at past designs in mega yacht construction, Feadship, CRN, Amels or Trinity/Oceanco and a few others, would also seem to follow an identical theme, yet they are all different. There is definitely a fine line of distinction there.
- By the way AMG, if you find yourself with a bit of spare time, it sure would be nice to see my amateur photo-shop creation come to life through the skilled eye of a pro ???
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Old 07-24-2006, 11:25 AM   #7
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FWIW, I agree with what tartanski posted. It is a copy.

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Old 07-24-2006, 11:51 AM   #8
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There seems to be familiar features like in any modern design, but I don't think one would mistaken one for the other sailing on the horizon.

To check this, I put both designs towards the same background and the similarities are then even more obvious to me. But in a port you will see the difference, both in size and finish...
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Old 07-24-2006, 12:26 PM   #9
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Lars,

I sense some serious copyright violations.
If I was you I would call my lawyer to consult this matter.
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Old 07-24-2006, 12:56 PM   #10
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Hi, Lars.

IMHO ...
Looks like they took your design, removed a deck, shortened it and made some "alterations" so that the result will not look too similar with Bling.

You should have a -serious talk- with the other designer.
There are just too many similarities between "Bling" and the Australian design.

Of course, imitation is the best form of flattery!

Be cool ...
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:57 PM   #11
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Its surely very very close to you design Lars, and i also find it disturbing that people could do it so boldly. A design that looked unique enough and then see that the design was copied with very 'few' alterations. The vertical red lines show it all.
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Yes it is very close and I doubt there is an independent designer giving up his reputation. It is rather some inhouse people working on orders from their boss, but I will soon have all the answers...
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I read this whole thread and noticed no dates of either design were mentioned. Can anyone fill us in?

I did notice tha Bling has a Sat dish cover and the other yacht does not?

But the windows do match rather well !

The question is which designer got their design registered and received a copyright. Oh ya (First )
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Copyright on designs are generally not registered, unless you have invented Sliced Bread but publication can be an important factor when you later want to claim your rights.

My design was made as a proposal for SETE, the Latsis company in 1997 and later published in the "The Superyachts 1999", a well known book in our biz.

About two years ago the enlarged "Double Bling" was presented at YachtForums and by the way, I am still waiting for the first copy of the transparent Satdome...

Anyway, I doubt this shipyard will claim a "first" on this design....
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Old 07-24-2006, 05:21 PM   #15
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If the Australian yard did their design as a mere "study", then so be it.
But if they intend to -actually build- the vessel, they might as well use "BLING".
Not only for the "intellectual rights" issue, but also because it's a MATTER OF GOOD TASTE!
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