[Codger]

Originally Posted by AMG

And I still wait for the call...

/Lars

Defining what is required is a heck of a lot more difficult when so many functions are involved. The marginal utility of the vessel or even some of it's systems isn't easy to nail down either. http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3190
It then goes in to that morass of subjectivity that is dictated by "personal taste".



RM Elegant is obviously someone's idea of "the perfect yacht". All I see is a vessel that I wouldn't want to be aboard when visiting Reykjavik for Christmas.

[mwagner1]

WOW....

What a fun and interesting thread!!!! Many excellent ideas!!!!

I will add my thoughts as well, as I will likely start planning a new build in early 2006.

First concern (and some of these things are needed as they are important features in my home)...

Crew space: my first visit to Trinity Yachts (Nov. 2003) saw me go aboard the then new 150' Mia Elise. I wandered down into one of the crew cabins and nearly died from a claustrophobic attack...shortness of breath, sweating, cold chills, nausea....the double bunk cabin was tiny...what made it worse were the two Trinity electricians doing some last minute wiring...and they could hardly move past each other So, my build will have plenty of room for the crew. My motto?? "A happy crew makes for a happy owner"..or, I will not make my future crew sleep in a place I would be uncomfortable in. I have seen some of the crew quarters in other boats....and owners wonder why they cannot keep crew!!!!

A serious theater: Quality gear, period. And a serious space to put it in...same goes for audio gear, as I do NOT mix my stereo with my home theater.

A nice sized and fully private owner's deck....enough said!!!

At least 5 guest staterooms (lots of family and friends), and a dive shop and Engineer's quarters in the lazarette.

Good size galley as I love to cook!!!

Full displacement hull for better stability and no worries about speed records. Lots of serious acoustical treatments for quite operation.

As much hydrogen power as possible for both propulsion and gen sets....the less diesel I need, the better!!!! What happens when diesel hits $4?? $5?? even worse?? Watch Paul Allen spend $2MM or more to fill Octopus????

Simple and comfortable interior design...no fancy artwork, carpets, heavy dark wood and millwork...

I think that this is enough to get started....I am sure there is more to add!!!

Cheers,

Mark

[KCook]

Surely venue is a factor? The perfect yacht for the Inside Passage would not be the same as the perfect yacht for the Med?

imperfect Kelly

[YachtForums]

We're still in search of the perfect yacht. Maybe it's at FLIBS? Maybe it's on someone's hard drive? Maybe someone has some suggestions besides "the perfect yacht belongs to someone else"? (that's freeboardin'!)

[Ju52]

Ok I will try to hit the jackpot this week in Germany (13 million Euro) and after it I will realize my dream yacht. Sorry for my English (my German is better )

Reading this thread I found a lot of my ideas- but not all. Here you have other ideas and questions.

I want to see more places all over the world -> passagemaker
I do NOT want a crew but a lot of room for me -> 60 to 90' explorer trawler or a 50' cat (where is Winter Yachts .... no new "Pacific Harmonies"?)

With latest engine technology are 5000nm or more real?

Diesel-electric is nice, but Z-Drives are in my focus (like Volvo IPS),
can we use Schottel's SRP with electric motors? What is then the best place for the DE generators? To protect the blue planet should we go back to sails?

Can we reduce the draft to 5' for going in flat waters? (this is an argument for cats!) What about bows, axe bows etc...? I like to reduce the needed power for a cruise speed of 10 .. 12kn.

I want to have my state room on the best place in the ship ... is the 2/3 of length rule right? Could I have big windows at stern like the old sail ships? OK with a (double) door to the swimm platform ?

For a long range ship the electronic equipment should be doubled. for the bigger parts hot swap spares.
Central media / entertainment servers coupled with intercom etc..

Cams outside, so I can have my big stern window and a virtual front window
OK the ship network is connected with the Internet- not a question!

Going around the world a car aboard could be nice. I found this in other threads here. OK - can we reduce it to a bike or quad or ...?

What about security? How can I make my ship to a fortress in foreign waters?
Can I have sonars to detect big fish, swimmers and divers around the ship?

With big power generators (DE) can I have an electric tender?

I hope to start new discussions here.

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by YachtForums

We're still in search of the perfect yacht. Maybe it's at FLIBS? Maybe it's on someone's hard drive? Maybe someone has some suggestions besides "the perfect yacht belongs to someone else"? (that's freeboardin'!)

Originally Posted by AMG

The perfect yacht is maybe impossible to get as we have all different ideas on how to use it, but we could call it the YachtForums Dreamyacht 2005?

Maybe just Dreamyacht, forget the year.

As I look back over this subject thread, I see a lot of catamaran discussions and propulsion discussions. With fuel prices headed ever upwards, I re-introduce the Motorsailer subject that I've touted for a loooong time. Interestingly, I see more and more the subject coming up from a number of builders including Nordhaven....I think the term is getting re-invigorated.

I refer you to another discussion on this forum that got placed over in the 'sailing section'
"Motor and Sailing Vessels (MotorSailer)"
http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/ge...torsailer.html

...note that one variation of my DynaRig Motorsailer makes use of the Tennant style hull form, with either a chain drive prop shaft, or retractable rim-drive unit (addresses a few of the propulsion discussions on this thread)

Originally Posted by Crewagency

What do you think about the hydraulic bathing platform like the wavepiercer ?

Included one where the optional fishing chair is located

Originally Posted by Crewagency

I saw so many Yachts on the show but saw nothing new. I feel that all exhibitors are not happy and Yacht sales between 50 and 100 feet are totaly down in Germany in the moment. In some Yachts the Crew cabins are like a casket and also have no storage for clothes. I think we have to think about the people who lives on this PERFECT YACHT first and have to create a design where Owners and Crews can live for a long time. I also saw that the explorer style Yachts come up more and more. A catamaran style Yacht is a good idea because we have enought space a smaller fuel consumption and a higher range with more cruising speed.
Many owners want to charter but i think you will not find a berth ( 2-3 ) in the main season for a Cat Yacht.

I think my DynaCat could be called 'something new'

Originally Posted by YachtForums

In the case of Pacific Harmony's sponson design, the engines would NEED to remain forward in order to accomodate the intake gullet of the jet pumps. The only problem I foresee is the buttocks of the sponsons would need be flat in order to mount the venturis and thrust directors. This would diminish displacement efficiency.

Because Pac Harm has a deep draft, due to the narrow cross section of the sponsons, the props are not exposed beneath dead bottom plane. This protects the running gear in the shallows.

John Winter and Malcolm Tennant have done a remarkable job with this hull. It's extremely efficient.
Fast, fuel efficient, stabile. It's all good.

But... there's always a trade-off. Interior, below deck space favors the monohull. And if you think engine rooms are tight on most yachts... try to service an engine located in a sponson! The mechanic better be an ex-racehorse jockey. (a little humor, don't take me to task!)

My engines are up in a little wider area of the thin hulls


...and finally note that TWO tenders could be carried up forward and launched with the aid of the lower yardarm. In remote locations (expedition yacht) or the islands, your tender becomes your car. It's nice to have a backup, or a second vehicle for those friends and charter guest onboard.

[airship]

IMHO, the "perfect yacht" would have to meet the following criteria:

1) It would cost less than 50% of what any major European or US builder would sell it for.
2) It would be built and finished to such a high standard that even a Feadship engineer or the very best UK or Italian designer, kidnapped à la CIA and transported to the secret shipyard location would be forced (suffering only jet-lag) to ask wonderingly: "Surely this is my work...no, it's even better than I could have imagined...?!"
3) The customer could order one like he'd order a new suit in Hong Kong...
4) The yacht would never ever keep fish awake by shining its' underwater lights.
5) The yacht would never operate sonar equipment or similar which might harm sea-dwelling creatures or whatever else (thinking here about the movie The Abyss) which might use the same frequencies for their own means.
6) The yacht would be equipped with a device to wake up whales etc. sleeping at the surface "in good time" to avoid a collision.
7) The crew would have sufficient room within their accommodations to be able "to swing a cat" if the stewardess is willing...