[AMG]

Yes Carl, it is a nice boat if you like a longe range cruiser. I know that especially in the US you build country kitchen style combined with a dining area which gives a nice ambiance, but my experience from living on a similar boat to this one and making long passages, it is more practical with an enclosed galley. The owners stateroom is connected with the main salon and as such a private area. If the crew was cooking there, it wouldn´t be very nice. I think this yacht is much more of a big yacht in a smaller size. Everything is heavy duty stuff and planned to be used 24/24 also at sea. The stove is faced forward so you don´t get scald if the boat is stopped by a big wave, same as the freeze and fridges, where things are not falling towards the doors...

The bridge has aft windows each side and in the door, but for docking it is better to be on the flybridge where you can park her easy as a car..

[YachtForums]

Originally Posted by AMG

The stove is faced forward so you don´t get scalded if the boat is stopped by a big wave

That's forward thinking.

[Crewagency]

Hi all,
back from Düsseldorf Boat Show now and ready for new ideas.

I saw so many Yachts on the show but saw nothing new. I feel that all exhibitors are not happy and Yacht sales between 50 and 100 feet are totaly down in Germany in the moment. In some Yachts the Crew cabins are like a casket and also have no storage for clothes. I think we have to think about the people who lives on this PERFECT YACHT first and have to create a design where Owners and Crews can live for a long time. I also saw that the explorer style Yachts come up more and more. A catamaran style Yacht is a good idea because we have enought space a smaller fuel consumption and a higher range with more cruising speed.
Many owners want to charter but i think you will not find a berth ( 2-3 ) in the main season for a Cat Yacht.
Also owners wants to reduce the crew on the next boat.
So we have to think about a Yacht that is easy to maintain and to handle with a small crew.
Reading through this thread i think it is very difficult to create our Dream Yacht here.
So lets us fix some details in a voting about lenght,style,range,speed.
I would suggest a 40m format. ( 33m as Cat )

[AMG]

I agree with Alex, it will not be easy to create the perfect yacht here, as we will always have different ideas. As a wild card I would like to add a yacht which I consider almost perfect, the 40 m Perini Navi Lady Lauren, ex Thesis. There you have most of what can dream of and easy handled sails on top of that. She is a real beauty with her unique Perini styling with a raised pilothouse and flybridge. I love this concept...

[TRY]

Hi Lars,
Hi Alex,

Between 2 trips I'm updating my forums-reading.
I think our first decision will have to be power or sail.
Perini's are very nice yachts (built in Turkey, not Italy) but .....
Did you ever try to "live" at an angle of 11-12° Lars? Very tiring and quite unpractical under the shower or on the toilet-facilities!

I have been for a long time now, I still am, and I will continue to favour a powercat.
33M - which is already a very comfortable size - can still be handled by a coupe, if they're knowledgeable.
If we take 8M beam, then that's not very much wider than a monohull of 40M, agreed?
So the berth-problem is a non-problem.

And I'm still convinced, tests to take place this winter, that one can use a kite for passage-making!

On page 1 I posted a LM design - "KiteCat" - 30M - still my favourite.

[AMG]

Originally Posted by TRY

Perini's are very nice yachts (built in Turkey, not Italy) but .....
Did you ever try to "live" at an angle of 11-12° Lars? Very tiring and quite unpractical under the shower or on the toilet-facilities!

Hi Luc,

Since you are asking, I have lived a lot on a Swan 651, at all angles, but sails are also stabilizing which I like in heavy seas where all slow going yachts, also cats are rolling.

I know that Perini are building hulls in Turkey, as well as the 87 m Maltese Falcon, but all yachts under 70 m are built in the old Picchiotti yard in Viareggio where I have visited them several times. The first Perinis however were built by Ortona Navi.

The question if the perfect yacht is a power-cat or not will be unanswered until we can see the perfect power-cat built I think. You know I can help you getting a design together and it might also be perfect, but it takes a lot more than just making a nice rendering here I am afraid...

/Lars

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by Crewagency

Hi all,
back from Düsseldorf Boat Show now and ready for new ideas.

I saw so many Yachts on the show but saw nothing new.

I also saw that the explorer style Yachts come up more and more. A catamaran style Yacht is a good idea because we have enough space a smaller fuel consumption and a higher range with more cruising speed.

Many owners want to charter but i think you will not find a berth ( 2-3 ) in the main season for a Cat Yacht.

Also owners wants to reduce the crew on the next boat.
So we have to think about a Yacht that is easy to maintain and to handle with a small crew.

I guess my Gamefishing Cat is a little small for your definition, but I was trying to keep it in a reasonable size to be handled by two crew if necessary. Certainly I could meet your power and range and economy desires.

I had hoped to find an exhibitor in the Dusseldorf Show where I might share a portion of their spot to display a model of this design. Didn't find one this year...maybe next year. But I will be in the Miami show Feb 17-21.

[YachtForums]

I submit... the TRY Cat 160; designed by Lars Modin!

[YachtForums]

A pair of Perfect Yachts?

[BarryClay]

Originally Posted by YachtForums

A pair of Perfect Yachts?

Not if your passage making..Lars hit the nail on the head, Cats roll not rule, in fact cats should be..never mind it was a cat joke. Anyway, Waht might make it more "perfect is to really create a cat with a mono hull. That is a mono hull with sponsons.

[brian eiland]

Originally Posted by BarryClay

.... What might make it more "perfect is to really create a cat with a mono hull. That is a mono hull with sponsons.

What about this tri hull concept? It worked pretty well in an around the world vessel (Cable & Wireless), and in a warship (RV Triton).

[BarryClay]

Originally Posted by brian eiland

What about this tri hull concept? It worked pretty well in an around the world vessel (Cable & Wireless), and in a warship (RV Triton).

Yup, didn't know who built it, but there are many creative ideas that could fall from this concept. As long as "perfect" means unlimited funds for beam penalties at the dock.

[AMG]

I have showed this yacht before, but this version has got a bigger wheelhouse, galley and engineroom. Three important working areas.

She can be completely owner operated, still has a crew cabin if you like to have a deckhand/stewardess or a captain, or why not a couple?

The owners area in the stern and guests forward gives some privacy even in this limited size of yacht. Big sun/boatdeck for the tenders and protected walkaround decks makes her safe and easy to handle.

Built in steel/aluminium or GRP, stabilized and with transatlantic range.

This would be my ideal live aboard yacht and passagemaker...

[BarryClay]

[quote=AMG]Yes indeed,looks interesting, what is the beam and draft?

By the way, I know this may sound nitpicky, but would it be possible to include a small scale or something diminsionly identified so relative size could be ascertained for various parts of the post?
Could this be a yacht forum standard for plan/rendering postings?

[AMG]

The length over deck is 26m, loa is 27m, beam 6.2m, draft I dont remember but about 1.5m. It is based on the same hull as the Diana design for Moonen 85.

Maybe I can add a scale in the future, otherwise you can do as I use to, measure the bed length which on my yachts should be 210 cm, or just under 7 feet.

Edit; A meter-scale is now added on the previous drawing...