Friend insists "Post is junk"

Stunamar · 05-21-2012, 07:33 PM

I have a friend who recently purchased a 1979 Bertram which needs a tremendous amount of work.
Anyway he insists that Post is a junk boat same with Egg Harbor...complete junk and can only be used on the bay or inter water ways which are flat...

I mentioned to him that Post and Eggs are semi custom boats and are made very well...he insists otherwise also stating that I'm talking to boat owners who are defending their boats where as he is talking to "boat builders" and the say Post is garbage. They are in the same class as an Ocean, Luhrs, Silverton.....

I have to laugh according to him Bertram is the only boat to have.....

Thoughts comments.....

Stunamar

SHAZAM · 05-21-2012, 07:40 PM

Different design philosophies between the builders. Looking back at boats from each on of the builders I can name several things from each of them that you can call "junky". IE, flybridge on a bertram being held together with self tapping screws, bridge console in a post looking like it was built by a amateur carpenter on meth, generous use of wood in goofy exterior areas on Eggs, or the icing on the cake, rear bulkheads on bertrams being made of plywood and formica!

Ultimately it comes down to which bottom design suits you best, flat bottom, deep vee or something somewhere in between. Post was always small time when compared to the juggernaut that was Bertram, they couldn't come close when it came to $ spent on advertising and overall promotion therefore creating some sort of public perception that the boat was in some way shape or form inferior.

As one of their largest dealers once told me, the ride may suck but since post built their boats like "brick $hithouses" they wouldn't fall apart.

BEAU · 05-21-2012, 08:32 PM

It's all about bottom design. If I were going out to the canyon in November, I'd probably want a Viking deep V. But since my cruising range is Oyster Bay NY to Cape Cod from late May till early October, I'll take my nice wide, stable Post any day. The 30 knot cruise at under 60 gallons an hour ain't bad either. In 12 years I have never had to cancel a trip due to whether. Ok, so if I hit real 5-6s on the nose, I back out to 22 knots. Also my joiner work is like furniture. Some of the older 42-3 are wet boats, but I have never heard anyone call them "Junk". You do have to be careful about gelcoat in certain years. Has your friend ever been on a Post?

RT46 · 05-22-2012, 07:59 AM

I have a 46 Post. My last boat was a Viking.

At first I really thought I was moving "down".

After owning the Post for a few years, i realize that my perception was wrong.

The Post exceeded my expectations with quality and construction and ride.

The only thing I dont like about the Post is how it handles in a following sea. The back end seems to slide down the back side of the wave, this takes some getting used to crossing inlets and in following seas more than 4-6. you learn to use zero tabs and keep weight in the rear tank if you will running a few hours or more in a following zea.

Post has corrected the following sea issue in the newer 47 by moving the engines back and putting some deadrise in the stern.

The viking tracked much better in a following sea, but the Viking bobbed like a cork on the drift or at anchor.

The Post is stable like a rock at drift or at anchor.

Both boats were equally wet boats with the viking being slightly wetter.

Believe it or not, the Viking tended to pound more than the Post. The Post doesnt seem to pound at all.

The Viking also burns more fuel for the same speed and has more draft.

Both interiors were pretty nice, with a slight edge to the Post.

I would consider an older Bertram a super high quality boat, but some of the interiors on the older ones are not as nice. The newer Bertrams seem to have quite enough quality issues. I have been rocked to near death on more than one Bertram on the drift.

Bottom line, If I were shopping for a 40-50 SF, I would not take Post off my shopping list.
They are a high quality built boat that can run with the big boys and then proudly back into any yacht club or marina.

I would consider Post one of the top 5 production S/Fs in the 40-50 range.

dsharp · 05-22-2012, 04:57 PM

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What law school did you attend?

BEAU · 05-22-2012, 05:20 PM

Uh, how about. "never had to cancel a trip due to whether to go or not because of weather". Does that get me out of it?

dsharp · 05-22-2012, 05:35 PM

Like a pro.

Stunamar · 05-22-2012, 06:23 PM

He said he "fished" a 42 and it was horrible complete junk. This is also coming from someone who feels he is the authority on what ever the subject matter happens to be. He just purchased his Bertram about 4 months ago; his first boat was a center console and that too was a mega pos......

I dunno

I love Post I think they are a fantastic boat and as with anything there is always going to some compromise. I'm not a fisherman I like to take rides, hang out, have a cocktail and smoke cigars.

Life is good. Peace and wellness to all.

Capt J · 05-22-2012, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stunamar

He said he "fished" a 42 and it was horrible complete junk. This is also coming from someone who feels he is the authority on what ever the subject matter happens to be. He just purchased his Bertram about 4 months ago; his first boat was a center console and that too was a mega pos......

I dunno

I love Post I think they are a fantastic boat and as with anything there is always going to some compromise. I'm not a fisherman I like to take rides, hang out, have a cocktail and smoke cigars.

Life is good. Peace and wellness to all.

Post is a pretty well built boat. I would say that it's bottom configuration is not as good for very rough weather as a comparable size Bertram or Hatteras. However, the trade-off is that they are usually more fuel efficient and fairly fast for their power and stable at rest or slow speeds.....or at speed.......I am not completely found of their fiberglass over plywood house construction, but it's not to say that Merritt and others haven't used the exact same construction for years and years........

CaptTom · 05-31-2012, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stunamar

I have a friend who recently purchased a 1979 Bertram which needs a tremendous amount of work.
Anyway he insists that Post is a junk boat same with Egg Harbor...complete junk and can only be used on the bay or inter water ways which are flat...

I have to laugh according to him Bertram is the only boat to have.....

Thoughts comments.....

Stunamar

Yeah, get a new friend. If he's that wrong about a boat, who knows what else he could be wrong about.

RT46 · 05-31-2012, 10:08 PM

Stunamar,

ask your buddie what kind of boat is in this picture?

It is NOT a Post.

shawn · 06-01-2012, 11:48 AM

Nice Come back RT 46. How bought the leaky windows. The nice glued formica on the walls, or the 1000 pounds of screws that Bertram used to hold the boat together. Bertrams run great in the seas but it is not a POST.

BEAU · 06-01-2012, 12:04 PM

RT46. How'd you come up with that picture?? Great shot.

BTW rereading the OPs 2nd post to this forum, are we being baited?

RT46 · 06-01-2012, 06:59 PM

Beau,

I cant take credit for that pic.

I got it off YF, I think.

The pic is "floating" around.

regards,

RT46

42hatteras · 06-15-2012, 05:53 AM

Ya gotta love that photo,but sooner or later that can happen to cored hulls. I have seen delamination on a Viking that would have ended up that way if the owner hadn't noticed that "bulge" on the port side.

I think the claim that Posts are junk is just a **** silly notion. Every boat is a compromise and as far as Posts go they are a very strong,solid glass hull,with a wide beam and deck house that make them a great party or live aboard platform and a very decent fishing boat.Owning a Post and a Hatteras both at the same time gives me a bit of insight on the subject. I love the Post for all the above and her better speed via the flat bottom and lighter weight,but in a seaway of any size I prefer the Hatteras for both ride and the ability to go down below safely or work below while underway. It seems that while my Post digs and lurches in a rough sea the Hatteras establishes a predictable rhythm that my body and feet quickly adjust to.

Kudos on the screws Shawn! Bertrams are great boats but what to hell were they thinking about? I guess screw guns and screws are cheaper than glassing and tabbing?