[RER]

Boats don't circumnavigate. Captains do.

[K1W1]

Hi,

The Kanaloa is mentioned twice and it says it is the Owners third lap but the second one under power in the 46, the previous one must have been under sail.

The Chartwell a Choey Lee is underway on it's 3rd lap now if info given on the list is accurate.

['RoundTheHorn]

Actually, in terms of Nordhavns that list is out of date and two other boats can be added to the list. Scott and Mary Flanders in Egret, a N46, recently completed their circumnavigation on February 10. Also PAE just released a statement that hull 16 of the N62 line, originally named Rover and then renamed Patty M, finished the journey by way of two different owners.

http://www.nordhavn.com/news/headlin...rcumnavigator/


About N46 Kanaloa owned by Germans Heidi and Wolfgang Hass -- they completed one circumnavigation in a sailboat before they bought their Nordhavn, have completed two in Kanaloa and haved started a third under power (or fourth overall).

[denizci]

Originally Posted by RER

Boats don't circumnavigate. Captains do.

That's correct. And to be able to do that, one needs the right ingredients such as the boat, skills, and most impotant, desire.

[RicF]

Originally Posted by dennismc

... Personally ..... and the price too high ...

Priced too high is a subjective observation ... Maybe Nordhavn's aren't priced too high, maybe it's that those that denigrate them just can't afford one ...?

They come a long way from a small yard.
I am very impressed by their success, but personally not by the style. but that is my own opinion.
They still selling very well. I am glad for them.
It will be nice to see these yards like the Selene and Nordhavn coming back to built in the US inset of using the US just as a customer reservoir so to speak.
It will give a lot of good work, and the made in USA is still a premium in the world.

['RoundTheHorn]

Originally Posted by Larry Larisky

They come a long way from a small yard.
I am very impressed by their success, but personally not by the style. but that is my own opinion.
They still selling very well. I am glad for them.
It will be nice to see these yards like the Selene and Nordhavn coming back to built in the US inset of using the US just as a customer reservoir so to speak.
It will give a lot of good work, and the made in USA is still a premium in the world.

The N40 was originally built by Pacific Seacraft in Fullerton, California, but the molds were later moved to the South Coast yard in China where redesigns to pilothouse windows were incorporated and the series was rechristened the N40 Mark II. The move also allowed for a lower base price while still adding interior improvements.

Now standard are granite countertops in the head and galley, higher quality teak with enough varnish to fill the grain resulting in a perfect finish, a superior class of exterior stainless including a new stainless rub rail, and a redesigned hull/deck joint that accomplishes a precision fit.

[dennismc]

Priced too high is a subjective observation ... Maybe Nordhavn's aren't priced too high, maybe it's that those that denigrate them just can't afford one ..

So, if you don't like a high priced vehicle that means you could not afford it ??

As MR Spock so eloquently put it..".not logical Captain" that assumes you deserve to title.

[lobo]

Originally Posted by Larry Larisky

It will be nice to see these yards like the Selene and Nordhavn coming back to built in the US inset of using the US just as a customer reservoir so to speak.
It will give a lot of good work, and the made in USA is still a premium in the world.

Any evidence at hand for these assumption?

The well educated and informed US customer has long preferred to take his business to Asia, Europe or South Africa and buy his (larger) yacht from abroad – for a good reason, I would assume.

[dennismc]

So, logical speaking...only poor uneducated North Americans buy North American made Yachts...

[RicF]

Originally Posted by dennismc

[I] So, if you don't like a high priced vehicle that means you could not afford it ?? As MR Spock so eloquently put it..".not logical Captain" that assumes you deserve to title.

Dennismc - MeThinks you got it wrong ... It's got nothing to do with logic - it's judgment ...

Maybe John Ruskin has it right - especially when it comes to big ticket discretionary spending -

“It is unwise to pay too much, but it is unwise to pay too little.

When you pay too much, you loose a little money; that is all. When you pay too little you sometimes lose everything.

Because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do. The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot.

It cannot be done.

If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run and if you do that, you will have enough to pay for something better.

There is hardly anything in the world that someone can’t make a little worse and sell a little cheaper – and people who consider price alone are this man’s lawful prey”.

- John Ruskin 1819-1900

[lobo]

Originally Posted by dennismc

So, logical speaking...only poor uneducated North Americans buy North American made Yachts...

Not at all: the US customer, being well educated and informed, has long preferred to buy his yacht from abroad ...

[NYCAP123]

Just watched a 60 Minutes special about bootleg drugs. IMHO, anyone who fails to buy anything "Made In America" under our controls and standards to save money gets what they pay for.

[K1W1]

Originally Posted by RER

Boats don't circumnavigate. Captains do.

Hi,

I wish that it were as simple as that in the real world.

To be master of a vessel that can complete a circumnavigation other than as the owner accepted by the insurance Co. and maybe with an acceptable Flag of Convenience you would normally expect to be asked to prove the pre requisite for sea time.

If it is necessary to complete a circumnavigation before coming seafarers I doubt that many Maritime Colleges would exist today.


Let alone those shafted there .

[Capt J]

Originally Posted by lobo

Any evidence at hand for these assumption?

The well educated and informed US customer has long preferred to take his business to Asia, Europe or South Africa and buy his (larger) yacht from abroad – for a good reason, I would assume.

This is untrue. I have run and stepped foot on a lot of Asian built yachts. Yes, they build a good boat. However, there are certain area's where they are not as cleanly built or done as well as American boats. The reason US buyers have leaned towards Asian built is because of price. The only thing you can maybe say they do better (in general) is woodwork. They usually do good fiberglass work. They are costlier to maintian as they get older compared to US built, on most of the ones I've seen. This is what I've seen on Asian boats (have not been on a Nordhaven).

Their wiring is overly complicated with solenoids everywhere, excess wiring everywhere, inverters/chargers, batteries all over the boat, and stuff like this that could be much more simple and easily done.

The fuel systems are typically overly complicated and usually have hard piping running everywhere and valves and could be made a lot simpler with less plumbing.

Also, things like sea-strainers are typically Asian made copies of Groco's that you cannot get a new basket for, so one by one you have to convert these parts over to US built parts. And Awlgrip paint on most of them that should have an extra coat on it, and has to be re-painted in less then 10 years.