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Old 01-08-2006, 06:00 PM   #1
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Question: Captains license required?

At what length and or diplacement is a captains license required?
Specifically owner operation of private not for charter liveaboard in 70-85 ft
range? U.S. west coast/Canada/Alaska operation area.
The real question is where do I go to get that information?

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Old 01-08-2006, 09:15 PM   #2
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As long as it is under 200grt and strictly for private use, no liscense is required by the USCG but your insurance company may have other plans.
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Old 01-08-2006, 10:10 PM   #3
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http://www.uscgboating.org/about/faqs/regulations.aspx


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Old 01-08-2006, 11:15 PM   #4
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Thanks for the help.
Insurance always wants my money!

Thanks for the USCG link. That will be a great help.

My copy of "Piloting" did not cover this area.

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Old 01-09-2006, 08:00 AM   #5
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I captained a "Johnson 70" for a guy that had planned to operate it himself.
The insurance company wanted a licenced captain on any boat over 70'.

The owner tried to BS the insurance company by saying the vessel was only 69'8" long.
They did not buy into it
Then he tried to get his own ticket, but busted the exam and gave up.

Then he drove the boat himself without adult supervision, ran aground twice and hit 3 different boats trying to get into the slip.

Reluctantly he had to hire a Captain.
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Old 01-09-2006, 01:59 PM   #6
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The hard way.
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Old 01-09-2006, 06:53 PM   #7
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The hard way.

Yeah, that guy was a trip.

When he ran aground he could not tell the insurance company, so he shelled out $8K for new props under the table.

The boat was brand new but never commisioned right.
Lots of fancy stuff and electronic toys, but it didn't work or was hooked up wrong.

Before we left the dock for a trip to the Keys, I went to West Marine and bought a handheld Garmin GPS and a handheld ICOM VHF so we could navigate and communicate if everything else failed.

Thread-creep, sorry.

As for the original question, when is a captain's licence required.?

As stated above, ya can drive your own boat up to 199 tons without a ticket.
That is tonnage, not displacement.
Some guys move a door or a bulk-head to decrease the tonnage and sneak below the limit.

Some of those owners/operators of big boats do an out-standing job of driving, maneuvering and managing the vessel, but many others don't.
After all, the only qualification for driving those things are a line of credit.
No common sense required and it shows occasionally here in Ft. Lauderdale and the surrounding area:
Spectacular groundings, fast driving close to slower vessels with serious wake and potential damage, shaky dockings, sloppy radio work, etc, etc.

Not a pretty picture, but the marine industry certainly benefit and they lobby hard to keep the rules the way they are.

Some countries in Europe requires a licence (albeit not commercial) for anybody operating a private boat over 40 feet.
Take a course, write an exam, demonstrate proficiency in maneuvering and so on.

Don't think we will ever see that around here, so in the meantime, the insurance companies set the rules.

Good for job-security...
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More problems for them-more $$$$ for us.Lots of people want to do my job for free.Well...........GOOD LUCK.
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:02 AM   #9
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Lots of people want to do my job for free.

Yeah, well but ya can't blame the owners for wanting to drive their own toys.
Even if the size and tonnage is usually up there with the ego's, the experience and skills may be lacking now and then.

Lets not kid ourselves:

To be a good Captain you have to go out there and Do it and Do it over the years.
Some of us do the boating thing for a living, whereas the owners do their thing full-time and they are good at whatever it takes to make money and pay for boats and crews. Whatever.

We all have our niche and expertise and I wish the owner-operators good luck if they have the talent and the time to hone their skills and drive as a Pro.

If not, call the crew agency and be prepared to pay the going rate.
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Old 01-10-2006, 01:04 PM   #10
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Well said by all.
I would hire a qualified captain to come out and teach me how to run the boat after taking the mentioned classes/ tests myself. Then when that captain is satisfied I would practice my butt off on docking skills and tight manueving skills until I am satisfied. I am pretty picky about that sort of stuff,used to drive an 18 wheeler.
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