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Old 06-02-2011, 12:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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MCA Crew Requirements

My boss has just purchased a 140' under 300 ton yacht that will be C.I. registered as well as MCA classed. It will be doing private as well as charter work in the Caribbean, New England trips to the East and West coasts of Central America and possibly the Med. I am wondering if any one can tell me, or direct me to where I can find, what kind of crew training and licensing qualifications will be required by MCA for that size vessel working and cruising in those areas?

I've tried Google but I'm not finding what I need.

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Old 06-02-2011, 01:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Hi,

Try the CISR and ask for the safe manning document for that vessel if it is going to stay under CI Flag.

Maybe it has one already onboard.
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Old 06-02-2011, 01:37 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Try the CISR and ask for the safe manning document for that vessel if it is going to stay under CI Flag.

Maybe it has one already onboard.
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No manning docs on board. New registry and cert.
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Old 06-02-2011, 02:14 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Hi,

I can ask a CI Guy I know and get you a generic answer if you like.

He does not always answer same day.

You could also have a go at this: http://www.cishipping.com/pls/portal...A_LY2_FORM.PDF if your boat falls into the applicable group.

BTW: Who measured it for tonnage and will CI accept that figure outright with no new measurement?
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I can ask a CI Guy I know and get you a generic answer if you like.

He does not always answer same day.

You could also have a go at this: http://www.cishipping.com/pls/portal...A_LY2_FORM.PDF if your boat falls into the applicable group.

BTW: Who measured it for tonnage and will CI accept that figure outright with no new measurement?
A generic answer would be great as a start, thanks.

I don't think they have done the official measurement as of yet. Project is not quite finished. But it looks like it should come in under 300 GT.
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Hi,

I have shot him a message, I will send you the info when I get it.
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I've tried Google but I'm not finding what I need.
Try CISR manning as your search term ... there is an international gross ton of information on the CISR website.

Manning info is here:

http://www.cishipping.com/pls/portal...ANUALVER08.PDF

Everything else is here:

http://www.cishipping.com/portal/pag..._schema=PORTAL

BTW, MCA is not a class society.
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Thanks.

On the MCA thing, interesting, why do they use the term MCA "classed" all the time? Just because a vessel falls into/under one of MCA's classes of vessels?

The boat in question is being built to RINA class.
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Thanks.

On the MCA thing, interesting, why do they use the term MCA "classed" all the time? Just because a vessel falls into/under one of MCA's classes of vessels?

Probably. The UK MCA has a couple of "codes" beside the Large Yacht Code and the vessels in those codes fall into a number of classes:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/mca/mcga-mnoti...09AD398D9A635A
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What are your thoughts on RINA as a classification and agency?
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What are your thoughts on RINA as a classification and agency?
They are working very hard to become competitive in the yacht classification market. Judging by many conversations with RINA staff, I see them as providing a high standard of professional and technical guidance while understanding how to accomodate the needs of the large yacht operator.

The IACS "rule book" is pretty much standard across the field, one class society isn't going to differ from another in technical standards to any great degree. If you read the flag rule books you will find most stuff is virtually cut and paste from class rules. What I look for in a class society is responsiveness and knowledge of my issues.

When I call I want someone to answer the phone and know what I am talking about and what I need to know. I want a relationship with the local surveyor so I know how he thinks and he knows how I think and what I might try and get away with. I need the surveyor to be willing to provide the guidance I need to get the job done to their standard. The same holds for flag.

I don't think RINA will disapoint you .
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Thanks, that is nice to hear.
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